New Scope - First Time Sighting in

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Had my first experience trying to sight in my new Nikon Prostaff 3-9x40 scope for the AR. Just wanted to get something to plink at the range with. Since I had never done it before it took me about 2 hours to properly sight in to 25 yards- ya I know pretty crazy. I guess its just trial and error as when I first started it was not even hitting paper. Atleast by the end of that time I was hitting the bullseye with groupings less then 1/2".

I will be back at the range today pushing it out to 50 then 100 yards. Any tips to a newbie before I head back out this afternoon.
 
Well the poor mans bore sighting is to take the upper off (or the bolt for a bolt action )
and sight through the barrel on an object about 50-100 yards away. sandbag the action/rifle and then look through the scope and see where it is hitting.
that will usually get you on the paper.

Then shoot your first 3 shot group and unless you have a called flyer (one you pulled or flinched say) measure the middle of the group to the center of your target.

then depending on the distance (100 yards is normal for most scopes) and the scope adjustments (it should say in the manual or the knobs what each click is in Inches or CM) adjust to take up the measurement to center. shoot your next 3 shot group
you should be real close.

Let the barrel cool between groups. some rifles are more sensitive to heat than others.
Most AR types are not really too bad.
 
Be sure to adjust the parallax setting properly according to range.

If it's 1/4 MOA scope, each click will move the bullet impact 1/8" at 50 yards... 1/4" at 100 yards.

Use targets with 1/2" gridlines or rule them on yourself.
 
Thanks for all the replies and advice. I took it back out yesterday and got it to shoot about 4 inches high on 50 yards. I need to get a better tool then a "nickel" coin to make the adjustments as its a pain in the ass. I did not have the time to complete the sight in so I will be back today or tomorrow to continue.

Do we have any local Appleseed Shoots as the schedule does not show any in MA off the website?
 
Harvard Gun Club - this Sunday at 2:00 PM to dusk. PM crak on this board for more info if you need. This is a practice.

Next full shoot in New England is Jericho, VT on October 20-21. I know of at least three NESers who will be there, and one of them is running it. (Nickle)
 
Harvard Gun Club - this Sunday at 2:00 PM to dusk. PM crak on this board for more info if you need. This is a practice.

My golf schedule happens to also be about this time for the upcoming weekend. I most likely only have 1 or 2 outings left before the season will be over for me. So if the shoots continue through October or November I would love to get to one.

I hope to actually have the scope sighted properly for 100 yards by that time but I am sure there is alot more I can learn from more experienced shooters.
 
IIRC, this Sunday is the last Appleseed practice at Harvard. You can shoot golf or shoot your rifle.

You must choose; but choose wisely.

Which safeguards your freedom; a 9 iron or an AR-15?
 
IIRC, this Sunday is the last Appleseed practice at Harvard. You can shoot golf or shoot your rifle.

You must choose; but choose wisely.

Which safeguards your freedom; a 9 iron or an AR-15?


Ohhh well the 9-iron was my front door battle stick before I got my LTC soo... I cannot back out of golf as I am in a 4-some that does not take kindly to missing our t-time and took me over a year to get a solid 4 for every other week.

I have put out a request to some other members to meet me down at the Haverhill Gun and Rod club to help me get more familar.
 
Thread: http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=92.0
Specific post: http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=92.msg508#msg508

The Rifleman Series -- Part Eight: Ammo and Sights

Now, let’s talk about what you need to get that ammo to go where you want it to go – downrange, on target, in a tight group, at a high rate of fire.

Sight settings and trajectory are keys that will unlock many doors. It’ll take a bit of work to learn what you need to know, but then a Rifleman never shys away from the work need to defend Liberty.

There are two basic sets of facts you need to memorize. The first is the relationship between where you shots are hitting on the target, the measurement unit of ‘minutes of angle’ – also known as ‘MOA’, and your sight settings.

MOA is what your sights are graduated in, whether an M1/M1A or scope. We’ll talk about other rifles later.

As the first step, you need to know that 1 MOA = ¼ inch at 25 meters. That distance is important, ‘cuz that’s where you’ll be doing a lot of practice shooting, until you acquire Rifleman skills.

That same 1 MOA equals 1 inch at 100 yards. How? Ratios – that icky stuff you avoided back in school. ¼ inch is to 25 yards as 1 inch is to 100 yards. Put another way, 100 yards is four times as much as 25 yards, right? And 1 inch is four times greater than ¼ inch, right?

Memorize this ratio so that you have it down cold: 1 MOA = ¼ inch at 25 yards = 1 inch at 100 yards = 2 inches at 200 yards = 3 inches at 300 yards = 4 inches at 400 yards = 5 inches at 500 yards.

Memorize that ratio, and you are ahead of 95% of shooters in America, sad to say. Do it, and you will be on you way to thinking in MOA whenever you adjust your rear sight or scope.

Now, let’s apply that ratio to some shooting situations. We’ll start at 25M (which is actually 27.32 yards, or 82 feet – we’re talking close enough for Government work, as the saying goes), and have you fire three good shots at your 1” black square.

You go downrange, check the target, and find that the center of your group is 1 inch below the aiming point, and ½ inch to the left of the aiming point.

First step is to ask yourself if you fired good shots. If not, your group is of no use to you, so go back and fire 3 good shots. Keep at it, using your sling, the Rifleman’s Guide (http://www.fredsm14stocks.com/catalog/acc.asp), and your training until you do.

Assuming that the first group were all good shots, it’s time to think about how to adjust your rear sight. If you have a Garand or M1A, your job is simple. All you have to do is remember that each click – windage or elevation – is equal to 1 MOA.

Here’s how you do it:

1) Inches: How many inches, for both elevation and windage, is the center of my group away from my aiming point? In this case, you are 1 inch below the aiming point (elevation), and 1/2 inch to the left of the AP for your windage.

2) MOA: The second step is to convert your inch calculations from step #1 above into MOA for that distance. You have memorized the fact that 1 MOA = ¼ inch at 25 meters, so what you need to do is figure out how many ¼ inch units (or MOA units) there are in your 1 inch low elevation, ½ left windage calculations. Anybody know the answer? Anybody? Bueller???

That’s right – 1 inch low elevation equals 4 ¼ inch units, which in turn equals 4 MOA low. ½ inch left windage equals 2 ¼ inch units, which equals 2 MOA left windage.

3) Clicks: Now that you know what your elevation and windage errors are, it’s a simple matter to adjust your M1/M1A sights, on which 1 click for standard sights always equals 1 MOA for both elevation and windage. You know, based on your calculations above, that you are 4 MOA low, so add 4 clicks “up” elevation (that’s the left-side knob) on your rear sight. You should be turning the knob back towards you to add elevation. Same drill for windage, which is the right-side knob on your rear sight. Your windage error is 2 MOA left, so add 2 clicks right windage (checking the markings on the knob so that you know you are turning it the right way.

Now, when you fire your confirmation 3-round group and those 3 shots are each good shots, your rounds should be hitting right at your aiming point.

Bingo! You have established your 25M zero, which also equals your 200 yard zero, because of the trajectory of the standard NATO load. You are also only one step away from setting your Battle Sight Zero (BSZ), which allows you to shoot without worrying about sight settings all the way out to 275 yards.

Next time, we’ll set that BSZ, talk about sighting-in other rifles, and reveal the secret to consistent hitting out to 500 yards….and beyond!

See ya next time!

Next time, Fred will talk about battle sight zeroes, trajectory, and other "secrets" of the Rifleman.
 
I hear Mrs Fred went to college in Mass or CT.

He knows it snows up here, and I've told him the biggest problem with shooting prone in the winter is seeing the target (or shoveling it out).
 
Thank you to Sheriff Dudley for meeting me down the club on Saturday and working on my scope with me.
 
So if the shoots continue through October or November I would love to get to one.


Yup. There will be another Harvard shoot on a weekend day towards the end of Oct or very early Nov. I will know exactly which day by this Thursday.
 
Hey Crak when you know the date Please post in this thread if possible I would love to put it on my calander.
 
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