New 4473's

[abundigas]

I have read on another Forum that new 4473's will be in use by this November. Among other changes the dealer will now be required to distinguish between complete firearms, and stripped recievers.
Has anyone seen the new 4473's yet, and if so is this true.

 

[rep308]

When they told me my employee number was 4473, I took it as a lucky sign

 

[News Shooter]

They change them from time to time, but we haven't heard anything yet

 

[Jake L]

Haven't seen the new ones yet. It's about time that change is made. I have been writing it in the discription for years.

 

[one-eyed Jack]

Usally ATF talks about form changes in their news letter and then we get a quantity of the new forms by mail. Jack.

 

[wolf223]

i saw it on their website. it has a couple new fields.

http://www.atf.gov/forms/4473/

 

[News Shooter]

I can't I'm saying this, but if that is really the new form the federal government actually simplified something and made it more user friendly.

Amazing

 

[clinotus]

The new form is set up to make it easier on everyone who purchases say a pistol lower or assembles an AOW (think pistol instead of other in the box) and to catch those 'dealers' out there that are skirting taxes on manufacturing and breaking the law by not having an 07 FFL. Its about the FET more than anything though.

ATF Manufacturing of firearms guideline

 

[one-eyed Jack]

i saw it on their website. it has a couple new fields.

http://www.atf.gov/forms/4473/

That site shows a 2001 form? Jack.

 

[News Shooter]

That site shows a 2001 form? Jack.

Now THAT makes sense. I knew the government wouldn't let us down by going logical all of a sudden. Whew!!

 

[wolf223]

That site shows a 2001 form? Jack.

oooops,

your right!

i saw something else, maybe an article about it changing in November 2008. i was at home when i read it.

i did a quick google and it looked similar.

sorry

i'll try to pull up my history later today.

edit: this link is shorter than the one i saw... i think the other link was batfe-dot-something-something...

 

[IrishIron]

The new 4473 on ATF site

A pdf of the new 4473 is at the following link.

http://www.atf.gov/press/2008press/100308atf-important-ffl-notice.htm

The major change that most people will notice are the boxes to mark or check Yes or No so that one does not have to write out the word. This should help retailers avoid the violations that they are cited for concerning this question.

There are other form issues and spacing that has changed as well.

 

[abundigas]

From what I have read the concern seems to be that if the 4473 is marked as a Reciever, and @ some point there is another AWB, that reciever may not be grandfathered unless you can prove that it was a complete rifle before the ban.

 

[C-pher]

At SHOT the FBI and ATF were talking that the forms were going to change.

ONe thing they said was that they are also going to go back to the Yellow Form...

 

[madmarc0]

Recievers would not be exempt under a new AWB (they say, not me) if one went into effect. (federal) The reasoning being that in order for a rec. to be exempt it would have to have been built into a complete gun.
Also, what I gather, no reciever can be transferred to anyone under 21 because of the open endedness of the wording being it could be potentially turned into a pistol.

 

[depicts]

Marc0 or others. According to this information, would it be a good idea to build any receivers and send in an FA-10 right away. Rather than keep an unbuilt receiver that would not be exempt, I think it might be better to build and register (FA-10) any serial numbered lowers in my possession.

We still don't know if there will be a ban, or if current production parts will be included in such a ban. I still have a feeling it might be better to register the gun now, rather than wait and see if the ban forbids building up the receiver.

 

[Pilgrim]

With the NES lowers, how were they described on the 4473's at pickup time? The buyer never sees what the seller/transferer puts on the form.

 

[one-eyed Jack]

With the NES lowers, how were they described on the 4473's at pickup time? The buyer never sees what the seller/transferer puts on the form.

I would strongly suggest the the buyer reads the 4473 and the FA 10 before signing. You could be signing a confession if an error is made. Also, I have given buyers copies of the 4473 if asked for them. Jack.

 

[Pilgrim]

the buyer always gets a copy of the FA10 but not the 4473. I've bought a lot of guns and never see what the dealer writes on the second page after I sign it.

So does anyone know how the 4473 is filled in for the NES lowers?

 

[madmarc0]

The 4473's were filled in as rec. only, multi caliber and crossed off as a long gun on top.
The whole AWB stuff in MA is gonna be moot anyway as our ban never expired.

 

[dwarven1]

The major change that most people will notice are the boxes to mark or check Yes or No so that one does not have to write out the word. This should help retailers avoid the violations that they are cited for concerning this question.

Gee, however will they manage to force law-abiding dealers out of business with an easy to fill out form.

 

[Coyote33]

Am I off, or does it sound like this was drummed up precisely to stop people from stocking up on lowers?

 

[EasyD]

Am I off, or does it sound like this was drummed up precisely to stop people from stocking up on lowers?

Could be, or...

It could be an attempt to make sure that all the dealers calling the FBI for NICS checks don't throw off the stats that the FBI compiles, or have to say they are selling a hand gun or long gun when they aren't, or that it actually helps people that want to build pistols or AOWs from stripped receivers, or the new popularity of semi auto guns that aren't rifles, like the semi 1919s and M2HBs... Etc, etc...

--EasyD

 

[B & K Sales LLC]

Received new forms today. Color has been changed to make sure FFLs use new form after 15 November.

 

[one-eyed Jack]

Also got the new forms today. Interesting that they went from yellow to white and now back to yellow. I do like the "booklet" layout. Jack.