Natick man charged with possessing "illegal gun"

[JJ4]

Article:
Natick man charged with possessing illegal gun


Excerpts (some stuff cut out):

NATICK – A Natick man on Friday left a loaded semiautomatic rifle - a weapon banned in Massachusetts - in an unlocked minivan in front of his house, authorities said.

A juvenile walking on West Central Street saw what he thought was a machine gun inside the minivan and noticed the van’s doors were unlocked. The juvenile called his family and together they called police.

...police confiscated the Bushmaster Semiautomatic M4 rifle from the minivan around 7:45 a.m

When police arrived, they found the gun in the minivan. Due to a safety issue, police immediately took the rifle into their possession, Rossi said. The officers discovered the gun was loaded with a large-capacity ammunition feeder device and it was loaded with 26 bullets, the lieutenant said.

“The firearm is on the Mass. banned guns list,” Rossi said.

He does not have a gun permit, Rossi said.



False takeaways from the article:

• A semiautomatic rifle is a weapon that is banned in Massachusetts
• There is a "Mass. banned guns list".
• The Bushmaster Semiautomatic M4 rifle is banned or illegal to possess in Massachusetts.

Notwithstanding the main points, which clearly show this guy was negligent at best (unlicensed, leaving a loaded rifle in an unlocked vehicle in plain sight).

 

[Asaltweapon]

Stupid should hurt on both sides of this.

 

[John4166]

"A juvenile walking on West Central Street saw what he thought was a machine gun inside the minivan and noticed the doors unlocked"

There is always a snitch.

 

[namedpipes]

If the van was unlocked how hard is it to believe someone planted it there?

Did he have information implication Hillary or exonerating Kavanaugh?

And who loads a gun with 26 rounds? Unless maybe it was a 25 round mag with one in the pipe?

 

[milktree]

Noticed the doors unlocked? Did he try them?

 

[BUMPA01603]

The kid is a Rat and a Moonbat. Anywhere else that van would be ransacked and a free weapon retrieved. The van owner is a dumbass, so more than likely his prints are all over it. The "somebody must have put it there" line isn't going to work. Definitely doesn't help our cause at all...

 

[EJFudd]

"A juvenile walking on West Central Street saw what he thought was a machine gun inside the minivan and noticed the van’s doors were unlocked. The juvenile called his family and together they called police."

Nothing suspicious about this. Juveniles are always going around checking out vehicle contents and checking whether or not the vehicle's doors are locked or unlocked, right?

It's like a public service they do.

 

[StevieP]

4A violation

 

[M1911]

4A violation

No, it’s not. The gun could be seen looking in the window of the car.

The laws he had been charged with breaking are all BS, but if you leave evidence of a crime in a car, visible to a passerby the police have no requirement for a search warrant.

 

[StevieP]

Was the car parked on-street, or on his driveway? How far from the sidewalk?

No doubt the dude's a moron, but just being stupid, with no victim, shouldn't ruin your life.

 

[namedpipes]

No, it’s not. The gun could be seen looking in the window of the car.

The laws he had been charged with breaking are all BS, but if you leave evidence of a crime in a car, visible to a passerby the police have no requirement for a search warrant.

Without inspection, it could have been a very realistic airsoft gun. So simply seeing a rifle through a window is not seeing evidence of a crime, any more than the vehicle itself.

After all, perhaps the owner/driver of the van itself had no drivers license. Perhaps we should use the simple presence of an unattended vehicle as evidence of a crime and break in / search it until we prove or disprove it.

[/ 's advocate]

 

[LLF]

Linskyy probably set him up.
Time to pass some more "common sense" gun laws!

 

[milktree]

Without inspection, it could have been a very realistic airsoft gun. So simply seeing a rifle through a window is not seeing evidence of a crime, any more than the vehicle itself.

After all, perhaps the owner/driver of the van itself had no drivers license. Perhaps we should use the simple presence of an unattended vehicle as evidence of a crime and break in / search it until we prove or disprove it.

[/ 's advocate]

But you're right. "a thing that looks like a gun" is not illegal in Massachusetts. Where's the probable cause for breaking into his car?

 

[Frizzle Fry]

If the van was unlocked how hard is it to believe someone planted it there?

Did he have information implication Hillary or exonerating Kavanaugh?

And who loads a gun with 26 rounds? Unless maybe it was a 25 round mag with one in the pipe?

27 isn't uncommon with old STANAG mags.

 

[Sparky123]

Article:
Natick man charged with possessing illegal gun


Excerpts (some stuff cut out):

NATICK – A Natick man on Friday left a loaded semiautomatic rifle - a weapon banned in Massachusetts - in an unlocked minivan in front of his house, authorities said.

A juvenile walking on West Central Street saw what he thought was a machine gun inside the minivan and noticed the van’s doors were unlocked. The juvenile called his family and together they called police.

...police confiscated the Bushmaster Semiautomatic M4 rifle from the minivan around 7:45 a.m

When police arrived, they found the gun in the minivan. Due to a safety issue, police immediately took the rifle into their possession, Rossi said. The officers discovered the gun was loaded with a large-capacity ammunition feeder device and it was loaded with 26 bullets, the lieutenant said.

“The firearm is on the Mass. banned guns list,” Rossi said.

He does not have a gun permit, Rossi said.



False takeaways from the article:

• A semiautomatic rifle is a weapon that is banned in Massachusetts
• There is a "Mass. banned guns list".
• The Bushmaster Semiautomatic M4 rifle is banned or illegal to possess in Massachusetts.

Notwithstanding the main points, which clearly show this guy was negligent at best (unlicensed, leaving a loaded rifle in an unlocked vehicle in plain sight).

Negligent ? Are you serious ? The man is an idiot ! Leaving a loaded weapon in an unlocked van and it plain sight. Someone that's either on drugs or just plain stupid. Another good episode for, "American's Dumbass Criminals."

 

[M1911]

Was the car parked on-street, or on his driveway? How far from the sidewalk?.

Legally it doesn’t matter. If you left a gun on your kitchen table, visible from your back window and a cop looking for a lost kid walks through your backyard, looks in the window and sees it, you are busted.

 

[M1911]

Without inspection, it could have been a very realistic airsoft gun. So simply seeing a rifle through a window is not seeing evidence of a crime, any more than the vehicle itself.

After all, perhaps the owner/driver of the van itself had no drivers license. Perhaps we should use the simple presence of an unattended vehicle as evidence of a crime and break in / search it until we prove or disprove it.

[/ 's advocate]

Good luck with that. Seeing a gun in a car is pretty much textbook plain view doctrine.

 

[M1911]

If the van was unlocked how hard is it to believe someone planted it there?

Did he have information implication Hillary or exonerating Kavanaugh?

And who loads a gun with 26 rounds? Unless maybe it was a 25 round mag with one in the pipe?

Oh, come on.

 

[FalArAk]

In plain view...Does that mean to see the gun you have to press your face into a side window and look towards the rear of the vehicle to see it lying in the back seat ?

Either break into the car and steal everything, or just leave.Now the new generation of fag-kids go crying to their parents and call the police "together".

Some kids just need to be bullied

 

[drgrant]

Was the car parked on-street, or on his driveway? How far from the sidewalk?

No doubt the dude's a moron, but just being stupid, with no victim, shouldn't ruin your life.

welcome to Massachusetts

 

[Jason Flare]

welcome to Massachusetts

StevieP has escaped and is enjoying NC.

 

[drgrant]

Good luck with that.

It would not surprise me in this state if someone got written up for a gun w/o LTC because of an airsoft gun because the officer was too stupid to figure out it was fake at first glance.....

 

[M1911]

StevieP has escaped and is enjoying NC.

While the gun storage and assault weapons ban BS are unique to MA, plain view doctrine is probably very similar in NC.

 

[Jason Flare]

While the gun storage and assault weapons ban BS are unique to MA, plain view doctrine is probably very similar in NC.

Have you ever lightened up?

 

[namedpipes]

Oh, come on.

Gotta think outside the box, man. Outside the box.

 

[Prepper]

The guy is a moron. Even in NH, I don't know if there is any law about leaving a loaded gun sitting in your unlocked vehicle (probably not), but I wouldn't do it in the 1 in a million chance a child could wander through the yard, see it, take it and then pull the trigger. Actually the odds here are well less than 1 in a million. 7 years here and a grand total of 1 child has wandered unattended into the yard. He was looking for a cat and not peering into cars.

 

[M1911]

Gotta think outside the box, man. Outside the box.

This guy is going into a box - a prison cell.

 

[namedpipes]

This guy is going into a box - a prison cell.

Probably. Unless he's a gang banger. Then he'll get time served and an apology for almost derailing his journey back to respectability.

If he had MONEY, he'd walk. "If the key does not fit, you must acquit!"

 

[Len-2A Training]

General Law - Part I, Title XIX, Chapter 131, Section 63

Section 63: Loaded shotgun or rifle in motor vehicle, aircraft or motorboat
Section 63. A person, other than the director of law enforcement, his deputy directors of enforcement, chiefs of enforcement, deputy chiefs of enforcement, environmental police officers, deputy environmental police officers, warden and members of the state or local police in areas over which they have jurisdiction, special officers or persons charged with the protection of persons or property while acting in the discharge of their respective duties, as such, and paraplegics as provided in section sixty-five, shall not, except upon land owned or occupied by him, have in his possession or under his control in or on any motor vehicle or aircraft a loaded shotgun or rifle, nor shall he have in his possession or under his control in any motor boat a loaded shotgun or rifle unless authorized by the director in regulations relating to the hunting of migratory waterfowl; and any person shall, upon the demand of any officer authorized to enforce this chapter, display for inspection any shotgun or rifle in his possession or under his control in a motor vehicle, aircraft or motorboat while not on property owned or occupied by him.

Once the three stooges figure out what is really illegal, this guy is screwed with the above violation (which makes him PP).

 

[jkelly1229]

If the van was unlocked how hard is it to believe someone planted it there?

Did he have information implication Hillary or exonerating Kavanaugh?

And who loads a gun with 26 rounds? Unless maybe it was a 25 round mag with one in the pipe?

Someone with an old colt mag that won't feed 30 reliably