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Heard a rumor that MSP is transitioning to M&P 45s, as well as the Vemont State Police. Anyone else hear this? Maybe it'll push S&W into getting the M&P45c MA Compliant.
Heard a rumor that MSP is transitioning to M&P 45s, as well as the Vemont State Police. Anyone else hear this? Maybe it'll push S&W into getting the M&P45c MA Compliant.
Over at the 10-8forums, someone posted that the STOP team has already ordered 50 of the 1911 Es -- the version with a rail.They also stated their STOP team went to the S&W 1911 E.
What do they have now, Sig 226 in .40 maybe? Sig doesn't make a .45 anymore do they, other than their 1911?
My job went the M&P 45 in late 2009. Other than the fact it's huge on your side and gets in the way of the seatbelt, I really like it.
I'm curious. Anyone know why they are switching away from Glock and SIG? Adjustability of grip size?
I'm curious. Anyone know why they are switching away from Glock and SIG? Adjustability of grip size?
Talked with a Trooper at a gun shop last week, he was carrying the M&P 45.
I asked him where did all the Sig mags go he said S&W traded them 1 for 1 in guns and mags.
They have the free state 5.5lb trigger.
He said that the 2 finalists were Glock and the M&P. The Smith won out because of the adjustable grips.
According to him, MSP guns will fire a minimum of 5000 rounds over their 10 yr lifespan. They loaded the mags on the guns and fired 5k rounds, no cleaning no lube. when the guns got too hot, they were dunked in a 5gal. bucket.
The Glock and M&P were the only ones to fire all 5k without some time of gun failure.
He also echoed the Sig QC issues as well
Back in the dark ages, there were minimum height requirements for police officers. Not so anymore. Officers come in all sizes and shapes (hopefully fit however) and both sexes. One gun with fixed grip size just does not fit everyone well.
Bottom line is two-fold:
- Ability to choose a gun with different grip sizes for the troops plays big these days.- S&W has been very aggressive on pricing to agencies, trying to get a foothold where Glock had owned the day for 20 years.
That's a very recent development and many of these contracts have probably been in the works for some time. In addition, last I checked Gen 4 Glocks are not yet available in all calibers, and they are having significant teething issues.Maybe I'm missing something, but Glock has adjustable grips, at least on the Gen4. As well as a wide range of standard grip sizes for different models, i.e. SF to full size.
That's a very recent development and many of these contracts have probably been in the works for some time. In addition, last I checked Gen 4 Glocks are not yet available in all calibers, and they are having significant teething issues.
Maybe I'm missing something, but Glock has adjustable grips, at least on the Gen4. As well as a wide range of standard grip sizes for different models, i.e. SF to full size.
The SF isn't much different than the normal size, and would require a department that wants to have guns that suit officers with larger and smaller hands to stock multiple guns -- they'll either end up having only small grip guns in stock when an officer wants a bigger grip (or vice versa) or they have a bunch of extra inventory. And if an officer wants to try a different size grip, they have to keep track of which gun the officer has now. In contrast, a gun with adjustable grips allows them to just issue the same gun to all officers and the officer can swap the grip panels at will with no added paperwork or inventory.
Are they available in 45 ACP? If so, I stand corrected.They're available in pretty much every Caliber LE uses except for .357 Sig.
I know the 9's have had a lot of reported issues. Have the 40s been trouble free? I had read about problems that agencies were having with the Gen 3 and earlier Glock 22 but only when a light was mounted on its rail. Any idea if that has been fixed?I agree on the teething issues, though, although 90% of the issues are confined to the 9mm 17/19/34 Gen4s. Even if they didn't have teething issues, I still would not expect any PD to adopt something that has basically only been out for about a year or so.
I've fired an LEM USPc, and wasn't impressed. I haven't fired a DAK. In general, I just don't like SIG's high bore axis and slide stop location, but those are my personal pet peeves. As much as I dislike the Glock trigger, Glock's low bore axis, short reset, flat slide top, and conventional control locations has a lot going for it.I don't even like the M&P pistols that much but I think dumping Sig DAKs to go to that is a huge improvement. The DAK just plain sucks. It wouldn't be so bad if the panic reset wasn't 8+ pounds, but if they did that, then they would immediately get sued by HK for more or less ripping off the LEM. (Which isn't incredible, but it's still way better than the DAK is).
Have you ever held the Gen4 and prior gen in your hand, one after another? Same question on G21 and G21SF?
I'll bet that the answer is no based on your post.
I have (it was in VT at a gun shop). I have small hands for a guy and the Gen4 allows you to ADD a grip making it bigger . . . OK, gorillas will be happy now.
The G21SF (that I wanted in the worst way, after reading all the hype and talking with Glock-US Gen'l Counsel) is still too big to fit my hand comfortably. It is 1/4" shallower front to back, but still not enough for my hands.
In contrast, I found that the M&P 45 with either small or medium grip size fits me very well.
Yup, last thing a PD wants is to stockpile various different sized guns. They don't run a "shoe store" in the armory.
S&W solved this problem and Glock still does NOT have a suitable solution for the masses. [NOTE: I am not "anti-Glock" or "pro-S&W", just reporting what fits myself and my Wife. We both own a total of 3 Glocks and 3 M&Ps . . . guess which ones we shoot most often? And I'm not selling the Glocks, use them for training.]
How often do you replace the grip? A few times when you first get the gun to decide which you prefer, then you are done. Did you find that to be enough to cause problems?From what I am remebering on when I bought an M&P when they first came out(sold it last year), you have to take out the tool (Rotate 90degrees) at the bottom of the magazine well to replace/change the grip. I found with repeated use (of the tool) the plastic wears out.
How often do you replace the grip? A few times when you first get the gun to decide which you prefer, then you are done. Did you find that to be enough to cause problems?