McCain : Pro 2A ?

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Honestly , the field of Republicans this election has left me a bit cold , but I started looking at some of their sites. McCain actually lists his pro gun opinions and voting record. He's against everything from trigger locks to hicap mag bans to suing manufacturers ...

So he says.... But I have seen him in the company of Fat Teddy one too many times to trust him. What do you guys think ?

Quote : " John McCain believes that the right of law abiding citizens to keep and bear arms is a fundamental, individual Constitutional right that we have a sacred duty to protect. We have a responsibility to ensure that criminals who violate the law are prosecuted to the fullest, rather than restricting the rights of law abiding citizens. Gun control is a proven failure in fighting crime. Law abiding citizens should not be asked to give up their rights because of criminals - criminals who ignore gun control laws anyway. : (Endquote)
 
McCain was half of the McCain-Feingold bill which, with the active aid of the Supreme Court, gutted the FIRST Amendment by impairing political speech.

Do you trust him with ANY other part of the Constitution?
 
I don't trust him. His position on the 1st Amendment makes his 2nd Amendment position doubtful.

He used to get A or A+ ratings from the NRA. That apparent has dropped to C+ in recent years, since his last presidential run.

According to the OnTheIssues website, which is a liberal-leaning survey of candidate positions, his gun record is decidedly mixed:
* Ban cheap guns; require safety locks; for gun show checks. (Aug 1999)
* Supports ban on certain assault weapons. (Aug 1999)
* Voted against Brady Bill & assault weapon ban. (Aug 1999)
* Guns are a problem, but so are violent web sites & videos. (Aug 1999)
* Punish criminals who abuse 2nd Amendment rights. (May 1999)
* Youth Violence Prevention Act restricts guns for kids. (May 1999)
* Repeal existing gun restrictions; penalize criminal use. (Jul 1998)
* Voted YES on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
* Voted YES on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004)
* Voted NO on background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
* Voted YES on more penalties for gun & drug violations. (May 1999)
* Voted YES on loosening license & background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
* Voted YES on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks. (Jul 1998)
Here are the details.
YMMV
 
fubar said:
No. .... but I am looking for the least smelly option. ... We are not going to get a Libertarian repealing all gun laws any time soon.
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If you confine your choice to the top 3 as of today then he may be the least of the evils. [puke] Personally, I think doing that now is a lazy cop-out. There are better choices in the next tier down, and certainly in the undeclared group (run Fred run!). There's a long way to go before the first primary votes are even cast and much can change, particularly if people pitch in for for one of the better candidates.
 
I'll vote for a Democrat before I vote for McCain.He should be declared an enemy of the state along with Kennedy,Bush,Spector and all the other politicians that are trying to turn this once great country into a Socialistic hellhole extension of Mexico and tried for treason.
 
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kevin9 said:
If you confine your choice to the top 3 as of today then he may be the least of the evils. [puke] Personally, I think doing that now is a lazy cop-out.
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I'm sure you mean that in a general sense , rather than saying a little actual research by me is a lazy cop out.

I am aware that there are other candidates , and that the "top 3" all suck.

As for single issue voting , the 2nd is a good overview of whether or not a candidate wants me to have my own life as a citizen , or as a subject.

greg , respectfully : you just said you'd vote for a treasonous socialist before you's vote for a treasonous socialist. ....
 
Greg said:
I'll vote for a Democrat before I vote for McCain.He should be declared an enemy of the state along with Kennedy,Bush,Spector and all the other politicians that are trying to turn this once great country into a Socialistic hellhole extension of Mexico and tried for treason.
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It make one think to see Ted Kennedy and our current POTUS on the same side of an issue. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to see the damage this'll do to our country. I'll be polite here and point out ANYONE who wants this immigration bill to pass has the moral fiber of overturned dog crap and are unfit to hold any public office. I can only wonder what other gifts Bush is going to give the Democrats before he leaves office. He's been very good to/for them so far.
 
zenprop said:
It's poor judgement to vote on only one issue. It doesn't matter if you have all the guns in the world if every other aspect of government policy sucks.
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If you have all the guns in the world, you can make every other aspect of government policy NOT suck. Got it?

So I think voting on one issue is not a bad policy, necessarily. It is generally a good indication of their feelings on many other issues.
 
fubar said:
I'm sure you mean that in a general sense , rather than saying a little actual research by me is a lazy cop out.
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Exactly, said much better than I did. Not to say there aren't folks who have written off all but the top 3 already, good to see you are not one of them.
 
codenamepaul, what are you implying; that by voting for somebody who is pro 2A then by default they stand for everything else you want to see in a government? Or are you implying that if we can keep the guns then we can forcibly make the government succumb to our wishes? Are you really planning on staging an armed coup if things don't go your way? All I was saying is people need to look at the big picture when deciding on candidates.
 
zenprop said:
...are you implying; that by voting for somebody who is pro 2A then by default they stand for everything else you want to see in a government?
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I think I feel that way. I have never seen a Gun Banner who I agreed with on pretty much Anything else , from taxes to haircuts.

It is a heck of a good measure as to whether the candidate wants to leave me alone or tell me what I have to do (and pay for ) for the "village." Of course I will not ignore other transgressions on my freedom - McCain's assault on the 1st for example. But compare him to Barack Hussein Obama - he brags that he wants to ban ALL semi-auto firearms in America. Care to guess how he feels about the evil working middle class he calls the Rich ?
 
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zenprop said:
codenamepaul, what are you implying; that by voting for somebody who is pro 2A then by default they stand for everything else you want to see in a government?
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Certain issues are indicative of how people will view or act on many other issues. I find individual gun ownership to be one of those. This view is best summarized in a quote from Texas Rep. Suzanna Gratia Hupp. Google her for more background, but the quote stands on it's own.
"How a politician stands on the Second Amendment tells you how he or she views you as an individual... as a trustworthy and productive citizen, or as part of an unruly crowd that needs to be lorded, controlled, supervised, and taken care of." --Rep. Suzanna Gratia Hupp (TX)
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McCain on 2nd Ammendment

If my memory serves me correctly, McCain in either 2004 or 2005 told the Nation that Al Queada terrorists had purchased firearms at gunshows in the US and he was "on a rant" for new legislation to prevent it. I had never heard of any instances like he described. I would not trust him to protect my gun rights. Guliani is basically anti-gun. Romney comes from the "blue state of Mass." (which unfortunately I do too) and he signed the state "assault weapon" ban for the state after the Clinton ban "sunsetted." I think at this point we have to hope Fred thompson jumps in.

commandcaddy
 
Why Did it Have to be ... Guns?

"People accuse me of being a single-issue writer, a single- issue thinker, and a single- issue voter, but it isn't true. What I've chosen, in a world where there's never enough time and energy, is to focus on the one political issue which most clearly and unmistakably demonstrates what any politician -- or political philosophy -- is made of, right down to the creamy liquid center."

http://billstclair.com/whyguns.html


zenprop said:
codenamepaul, what are you implying; that by voting for somebody who is pro 2A then by default they stand for everything else you want to see in a government?
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zenprop said:
Wow, fubar & kevin9. I was posting that stuff just to make people think a little. But it turns out you guys made me think a little. Nice work and thanks.
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You're welcome.

Thinking is good. Far too many people do far too little of it these days. [grin]
 

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