Mass Firearms School holding Spanish speaking firearms safety classes

[KenK]

Well in that case I will concede.... Good argument there!!! If it helps the cause and not not hurt it!!!!

A Spanish BFS class is good for all Massachusetts gun owners. Here’s why:

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  Every person should have the ability to protect themselves and their family. Gun ownership is a human right
  
  It was not long ago that one of MFS’s instructor’s (a British citizen and former soldier) successfully sued the state winning the right of non-citizens to own handguns. Eoin will be sworn in as a US citizen shortly. That Brit, through his efforts, did much to preserve American freedoms.
  
  How did winning handgun ownership for non-citizens help Americans? It helped us because it rolled back liberal policies that make gun ownership a privilege. Gun ownership is not a privilege the state grants as it chooses.
  
  Owning firearms is a right of freemen. Ask the ground and it will tell you. This is the same ground that received the blood of our forefathers who freed us from tyranny (no offense to our resident Brit ).

• With a Spanish class, existing gun owners have an opportunity to reach out to friends and family who otherwise would use language as an excuse for not becoming a gun owner. Gun ownership brings an awareness of gun rights issues, as well as, the need for taking personal responsibility. Socialist, anti-gunners want a dependent population. Gun ownership is contrary to that mentality.

• It is in the interest of all Massachusetts gun owners to get as many people as possible licensed. Fellow gun owners will vote for their guns. Do you want to roll back draconian Mass gun laws? One way to do it is by getting as many people as possible graduated into our ranks.

• From a safety perspective, it is better for a person to receive firearms training in the language they understand best. For example, in our Spanish class the instructor will be able to cover in detail how to handle potential police and safety encounters. Educating gun owners is good for all of us.

Furthermore, the existence of our class has nothing to do with the need of people to assimilate into the culture in which they live. There is no question that individuals who fail to assimilate will endure economic hardships. They also run the risk of being forced into a life of being a taker as opposed to a maker.

What our Spanish class does do is remove another barrier to people exercising the rights of freemen. Massachusetts is one of the only states that requires a person to have a license to own a firearm. As gun owners, it is in our best interest to help as many people as we can into the sport.

On the other hand, it is in the interest of the anti-gun community to make gun ownership as difficult as possible. We do not share their philosophy.

 

[WBspectrum]

Ah........ but what language are the deaf or mute fluent in with sign language???

Beats me, but I'm sure more cops know Spanish than any form of sign language.

As far as mute, in my daughter's case she doesn't know ASL. Selective Mutism means she actually can speak (in fact she won't shut up at home) , but in many circumstances , particularly with strangers she can't.

 

[Boris]

Anyone against ANY method of increasing LTC issuance is a supporter of gun control. All over America people own guns without needing some bullshit state-issued license.

There are two issues mixed up here:

1. There was a simpler time when anyone off the boat could plunk a gold coin and get the best, most deadly firearm s/he could buy. Self-defense was just that and 2a meant what it means. Today is not that time. Start with abolishing ATF and throwing away every single law that infringes on what "shall not be infringed" If you solve that, this conversation will never take place.

Good work, MFS.

2. MFS is a business and they can do whatever the **** they want within the law to increase their market share. If you think it's some sort of altruistic, 2a helping move, it ain't. Let's look at these "good intentions" to increase LTC issuance.

a. Without English, even with LTC this person will likely vote for whomever Telemundo tell her to. This person is not going to get involved in largely English speaking community and further 2a fight nor contribute.

b. MFS is a basic requirement. An English speaker can go to NES, other forums to get more information on laws and regulations, because let's face it, not too many here call their firearms attorney when they have a question about magazine capacity etc.

c. This person will very likely stay ignorant of firearms laws and changes to them, written in ENGLISH! When it comes to defend themselves or store or transfer their guns, they may royally **** up and end up in jail and/or 9 o'clock news. Do you still think that MFS is doing them a favor?


and in conclusion ... you adamantly think it's a good idea, send Marsha a check for FA-10 in Spanish and more court translators because I'm sick and tired paying for that shit.

 

[warwickben]

Not English sign.

American sign is different then British sign believe it or not. its more different then American spoken English vs British spoken English.

Like a I said before it's not a bad idea if the person learns better in Spanish.

Update.,..........
They just should know English for every thing Boris said.

 

[economist]

There are two issues mixed up here:

1. There was a simpler time when anyone off the boat could plunk a gold coin and get the best, most deadly firearm s/he could buy. Self-defense was just that and 2a meant what it means. Today is not that time. Start with abolishing ATF and throwing away every single law that infringes on what "shall not be infringed" If you solve that, this conversation will never take place.




2. MFS is a business and they can do whatever the **** they want within the law to increase their market share. If you think it's some sort of altruistic, 2a helping move, it ain't. Let's look at these "good intentions" to increase LTC issuance.

a. Without English, even with LTC this person will likely vote for whomever Telemundo tell her to. This person is not going to get involved in largely English speaking community and further 2a fight nor contribute.

b. MFS is a basic requirement. An English speaker can go to NES, other forums to get more information on laws and regulations, because let's face it, not too many here call their firearms attorney when they have a question about magazine capacity etc.

c. This person will very likely stay ignorant of firearms laws and changes to them, written in ENGLISH! When it comes to defend themselves or store or transfer their guns, they may royally **** up and end up in jail and/or 9 o'clock news. Do you still think that MFS is doing them a favor?


and in conclusion ... you adamantly think it's a good idea, send Marsha a check for FA-10 in Spanish and more court translators because I'm sick and tired paying for that shit.

I'm not interested in social policy, nor am I interested in protecting anyone's best interest as I define it -- that is up to them. I am interested in what one solitary man can do in the face of oppressive government. If he chooses to defend himself, anything that gets government out of his way is good. Requiring training is evil. Licensing is evil. Denying gun rights by default is evil. Seeing the marketplace act to correct some little bit of this collective evil is a good thing.

 

[Boris]

I'll let my gun club sort that one out. If you can't pass the range orientation, then you need to find another club.

don't worry, MA bleeding hearts will force you to pay for translators and sue your club for discrimination. Suing gun clubs gets Marsha hard (not wet)

You shouldn't need any instruction to go out, buy a gun, and shove it under your mattress. Is that prudent? No. But your 2A isn't about what's prudent--at least, it shouldn't be.

Yeah, and the store owner going to explain to him "THIS BUTTON - BANG BANG!!! COMPRANDE??? THIS BUTTON - NO BANG!!! .... "


again, I'm not saying that I want to stop them from getting a gun, but this shit is just not going turn out well for them so stop fellating MFS for trying to get increase $$$ flow.

 

[Admin]

Boris are you drinking? Mandated training for self preservation?

 

[Admin]

Another out yourself thread on NES. Some surprising names this time.

The responses in this thread are the worst I've ever seen on NES.

 

[Boris]

I'm not interested in social policy, nor am I interested in protecting anyone's best interest as I define it -- that is up to them. I am interested in what one solitary man can do in the face of oppressive government.

Like I said, start with learning English, get education, get a good job, support Comm2a ... it's considerably harder then just pulling a trigger, but gets us further in the long run.

Seeing the marketplace act to correct some little bit of this collective evil is a good thing.

with all due respect ... "Marketplace" is a cold, heartless thing that separates fools from their money. You must think about Communism where everything is "fair" and all orphans have plenty of food.

 

[Admin]

Like I said, start with learning English, get education, get a good job, support Comm2a ... it's considerably harder then just pulling a trigger, but gets us further in the long run.




with all due respect ... "Marketplace" is a cold, heartless thing that separates fools from their money. You must think about Communism where everything is "fair" and all orphans have plenty of food.

You're so far off base here it's honestly embarrassing.

 

[W.E.C]

Yep, Switzerland is a downright disaster. Social chaos, rampant crime, gun accidents all over the place..."""
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that's not a country ,it a neighborhood !

pop. equal to the state of MA. bordering Germany,Italy and France, the 3 languages spoken there, you did find one though, to make your point.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

You're so far off base here it's honestly embarrassing.

You can't accuse him of digging himself a hole since he no longer has his shovel.

 

[mcb]

Me gusta

 

[Boris]

Boris are you drinking? Mandated training for self preservation?

AKs for everyone! I'm serious too, no sarcasm, I don't care what color is your skin or what language your speak.

I'm not advocating any regulations and I don't care what MFS provides. Just don't say that they are doing people who can't speak English nor other shooters a giant favor, because they are not. That's my point.

My bottom line: Get a ****ing AK and an English dictionary.

 

[Boris]

You're so far off base here it's honestly embarrassing.

well, no shit, I went to buy this bottle of vodka and the Mexican guy said something that sounded like "good quality vodka" but then I don't know what "mierda" is. OK, I'm signing off.

 

[OfficerObie59]

You can't accuse him of digging himself a hole since he no longer has his shovel.

 

[SamH]

You can't accuse him of digging himself a hole since he no longer has his shovel.

LMAO

WIN

 

[ochmude]

3. Do any of you "non-racists" want to go to the range and shoot along side some dude who has no idea what "cease fire" or "man down range" means? It's bad enough people do crazy shit like loading and sighting rifles while others are hanging targets or pointing loaded guns at you, at least I can explain to them using "****" and "shit" that it's not OK.

If I want to go to the range at all, I have to deal with that reality. The only range in my area is a free, public range with no access control or membership whatsoever. There are no staff that can kick someone off if they're being unsafe. Somehow, everyone works together very well, even the very high percentage of non-English speaking shooters that frequent the range.

 

[Len-2A Training]

Yep, Switzerland is a downright disaster. Social chaos, rampant crime, gun accidents all over the place..."""
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that's not a country ,it a neighborhood !

pop. equal to the state of MA. bordering Germany,Italy and France, the 3 languages spoken there, you did find one though, to make your point.

You are right about a "neighborhood".

My Engineering Manager at DEC was a Swiss National. He was fluent in 5 languages (in his case, talking technical engineering discussion in 5 languages)!

In the US (at that time) kids in school could take Basic (computer language) as a "foreign language" so they wouldn't have to learn a real foreign language. Europeans are miles ahead of us in education and being able to be conversant with various societies!

 

[jasons]

¡Ay, caramba!

 

[OB1Kenobi]

Another out yourself thread on NES. Some surprising names this time.

The responses in this thread are the worst I've ever seen on NES.

Yup

 

[el duderino]

MFS has every right to do this, but I still must disagree. It sets a bad precedent, if they have difficulty or refuse to learn the language then it should be on the consumer to hire a translator. Enough with the 'well other countries do this', IDGAF we are not other countries. /rant

 

[headednorth]

Europeans are miles ahead of us in education and being able to be conversant with various societies!

They have more of a need to be conversant in many languages than we do. Theyre in a relatively small continent where you cant travel more than a few hundred miles in any direction without ending up in a place where a different language is spoken.

As I said in an earlier post, English is the language of commerce and we're in the favorable position of it being more advantageous for others to learn English than vice versa.

 

[jujutsuka]

Pretty shocked with some of the responses. If you truly believe it's an inalienable right (i.e. your very existence justifies it) then you mustn't require any language to exercise it. Which side are you on? What are you doing to increase our numbers?

 

[jasons]

Half the people on NES haven't mastered English either but they still manage to keep them all on target, right?

 

[PATRON]

When I shoot my llama,star,and astra pistol I think in spanish.

 

[OB1Kenobi]

is NES anti-freedom?

 

[ochmude]

For those who think this is a bad idea, are you in favor of safety courses as a mandatory requirement for ownership or carry? This is a serious question. I'm hoping for some genuine discussion and I will not sling insults.

Blame Forum Runner for any typos and such.

 

[edhead35]

Training companies are private entities who see a new market, and I welcome the allies in 2A, just like with the overturning of the ban on legal aliens getting guns in MA.

That being said English should be the national language, and the government should adhere to those standards. If you do not like MFS offering classes in Spanish do not support them. If a law abiding Spanish speaking person can fill out the form to buy a gun and we don't have to provide forms in 10 languages, then great. Gun law is confusing and if someone needs to hear it in their native tongue then so be it. Letting language divide us will only cause the antis to win. If the left can unite Sharia law pushing Muslims and feminists then why can't we at least welcome law abiding Spanish speaking people into 2A?

 

[Jrjr]

Holy crap. The response on this thread baffles me.

The whole premise of libtard gun control is people are too stupid to have guns. The elitist mindset. And everyone that thinks you need to learn English to have the privilege of owning a gun obviously sees gun ownership as a privilege.

You, if you follow the basic intention of the constitution, ARE WRONG.