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What exactly is BS? I literally called today on my lunch break after I raided Wally of all their .22LR. My receipt even says to call sometime in Sept.I call BS. The state says they are processing stuff submitted in the last 2-3 weeks.View attachment 375454
The one I just posted is the DCJIS receipt is the one everyone refers to.I applied in the beginning of April, and am still waiting. Birthday has since come and gone. I got a receipt, but not sure if it is "MIRCS". How does one identify a "MIRCS receipt"? Don't they have to do this within 90 days or something?
Does this apply to renewal? My license is due for renewal 09/2021. When is the right time to begin the process?
What happens if you submit your renewal months ahead of time but still don't get it and your current license expires?
The BS is that it's the state, FRB, that is holding it up. This has been proven over and over, it's the local PD feeding you BS. Look through this thread, there is a phone number for checking your status with the state. They will tell you when it was submitted and when they returned it to the PD, or that they haven't got it. Every time, it's the the local PD that is the delay. This is why some PDs can turn one around in weeks and others take many months, they all submit them the same way to the same state agency.What exactly is BS? I literally called today on my lunch break after I raided Wally of all their .22LR. My receipt even says to call sometime in Sept. View attachment 375467View attachment 375468
Woops I definitely thought he was calling me out for a BS post lol not the fact that this state sucks.The BS is that it's the state, FRB, that is holding it up. This has been proven over and over, it's the local PD feeding you BS. Look through this thread, there is a phone number for checking your status with the state. They will tell you when it was submitted and when they returned it to the PD, or that they haven't got it. Every time, it's the the local PD that is the delay. This is why some PDs can turn one around in weeks and others take many months, they all submit them the same way to the same state agency.
Mine looks nothing like that.The one I just posted is the DCJIS receipt is the one everyone refers to.
Also - they told you not to call for more than 3 months after your application date. They have 40 days to complete the process. Your city is full of it. Not that this should surprise anyone, nor is it in any way your fault.Woops I definitely thought he was calling me out for a BS post lol not the fact that this state sucks.
Not you, what you were told. The delay is not the state, it is the local PD.Woops I definitely thought he was calling me out for a BS post lol not the fact that this state sucks.
NO@Len-2A Training 40 days after application, it’s presumed to be denied right? And then you have 90 days to appeal the functional denial in district court?
NO
They have 40 days to either deny or approve. There is no presumption that it was denied or approved, they just missed the deadline specified in the law. Unfortunately there is no consequence specified in the law for missing the deadline. So they don't care. As a result, which you can see in this and many other threads, they routinely go past the 40 days. And getting uppity about how long they take is a path to unsuitable, so be polite when you question them on how long it is taking.
NO
They have 40 days to either deny or approve. There is no presumption that it was denied or approved, they just missed the deadline specified in the law. Unfortunately there is no consequence specified in the law for missing the deadline. So they don't care. As a result, which you can see in this and many other threads, they routinely go past the 40 days. And getting uppity about how long they take is a path to unsuitable, so be polite when you question them on how long it is taking.
YOU can assume you've been denied, but there is no such presumption in the law.Okay, because according to GOAL:
How To Apply For MA License To Carry (LTC) | GOAL - GOAL.ORG
Applying for a License to Carry (LTC A) In Massachusetts, in order to lawfully purchase or possess a large capacity handgun, shotgun, or rifle, a person must have a License to Carry Firearms (“LTC”).goal.org
They say differently.
“ Q. What if I’m denied, even though I meet the standards in the law?
A. The law says you can appeal a suspension, revocation or denial of a License by filing a petition for judicial review in district court within 90 days. The law also says that if you do not get a License within 40 days from your date of application, you can assume you are denied and go to court. The court will expect you to prove that the chief’s decision to deny you was “capricious” or “arbitrary.” Chapter 150 of the Acts of 2004 created a Firearms Review board to review the cases of persons disqualified by misdemeanor convictions, and to vote on whether to restore the firearms rights of persons otherwise disqualified.”
This distinction is important because it precludes "No appeal possible, you have not been denied".The law also says that if you do not get a License within 40 days from your date of application, you can assume you are denied and go to court.
This distinction is important because it precludes "No appeal possible, you have not been denied".
This logic was used by SCOTUS to uphold the ban on federal "Relief from firearms disability" applications. Since applications are not accepted, the would-be applicant has no right to due process regarding the application or to have the application accepted.
If the law presumed a denial, which it does not, everyone who has ever had an application go beyond 40 day would have a legal presumption of a denial. And all those people would need to disclose that denial on all future applications, both in MA, and in other states that ask if you have even been denied. Sure, you can explain why you were denied, but you would still have to answer yes to have ever been denied.Rob, so if I’m understanding you correctly: the PD accepts the application, and you’re issued a MIRCS receipt on the spot, after 40 days without any response, you are presumed to be denied?
HOWEVER, if you mail in an application, or for whatever reason no MIRCS receipt is provided, the application is not considered complete/processed, the 40 day clock isn’t in place and you have no right to appeal?
I applied for renewal 6/4/20, state printed the card on 6/26, PD called to come get it 7/20.
The delay is not on the state end right now.
as always its the local PD that can choose to drag their feet if they wishI applied for renewal 6/4/20, state printed the card on 6/26, PD called to come get it 7/20.
The delay is not on the state end right now.
Sent all my renewal stuff in on 5/14
Got the receipt
Expired on 7/17
Still haven't seen the lic