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Can I ccw to and from target range??? Cant do any hunting in ma. w a handgun but i think the law say to and from. so can i?
Does it mean straight to or to as in im going after work???
My understanding is it means to and from the range or hunting.
... Cant do any hunting in ma. w a handgun but i think the law say to and from.....
.... I have no idea where anyone got the impression that "Target & Hunting" meant "Target & Hunting & going to and from the range, and maybe stopping at Dunkies to grap a cup of Joe, and then at the gun shop to grab some more targets." Transport? Yes. Carry? No.....
Ken
Unless your authority is willing to give you something in writing, I wouldn't even consider carrying to and from the range. I have no idea where anyone got the impression that "Target & Hunting" meant "Target & Hunting & going to and from the range, and maybe stopping at Dunkies to grap a cup of Joe, and then at the gun shop to grab some more targets." Transport? Yes. Carry? No.
Ken
The Gun Control Advisory Board in coinjuction with the Ma. Chiefs of Police Association came up with a list of restrictions (None, Target&Hunting, Sporting, Employment) with definitions that they want issuing agencies to use. These definitions say specifically that people may carry to and from their destination. This is a direct quote from Chiefs Glidden's Firearms law book. This is the book which all issuing agencies refer to for matters relating to firearms law.
Target and Hunting: Restricts possession to the purpose of lawful recreational shooting or competition; for use in the lawful pursuit of game animals and birds; for personal protection in the home; and for the purpose of collecting (other than machine guns). Includes travel to and from activity location.
Most cities/towns have adopted these definitions but they are still only suggestions and there is no law requiring they be used. As long as these are the definitions that you were told apply you should be covered carrying to and from the range. Simply asking if the issuing agency uses the same restiction definitions that the Chiefs of Police Association approved should suffice
NOT concealed. And I still wouldn't want to be the test case.
If one looks at the restriction statement, "Includes travel to and from activity location" logically, interpreting it to mean that concealed carry to and from the activity location is allowed actually makes sense:NOT concealed.
Sadly, that is a key point in this state!And I still wouldn't want to be the test case.
Target and Hunting: Restricts possession to the purpose of lawful recreational shooting or competition; for use in the lawful pursuit of game animals and birds; for personal protection in the home; and for the purpose of collecting (other than machine guns). Includes travel to and from activity location.
Yes, I know the book well. I've had a copy of various editions for close to 10 years. I still don't see the crucial word carry anywhere there. OTOH, it does use the word possession, which is very different thing. You can legally possess a firearm in a lot of circumstances with different classes of license, but that's hardly the same as being able to carry a loaded firearm legally.
Ken
LTC= License to Carry. Reason for issuance:
"Target and Hunting: Restricts possession to the purpose of lawful recreational shooting or competition; for use in the lawful pursuit of game animals and birds; for personal protection in the home; and for the purpose of collecting (other than machine guns). Includes travel to and from activity location.
"Sporting: Restricts possession to the purpose of lawful recreational shooting or competition; for use in the lawful pursuit of game animals and birds; for personal protection in the home; and for the purpose of collecting (other than machine guns); and for outdoor recreational activities such as hiking, camping, cross country skiing, or similar activities. Includes travel to and from activity location.
"Employment: Restricts possession to business owner engaged in business activities, or to an employee while engaged in work related activities, and maintaining proficiency, where the employer requires carrying of a firearm (i.e. armored car, security guard, etc.). Includes travel to and from activity location."
Each of these three "reasons for issuance" refers to various activities, and uses the phrase "Includes travel to and from activity location." To and from recreational shooting, to and from hunting, to and from camping, to and from engaging in work related activities, etc. For the sake of argument, just assume that this actually means what it seems to say, and you can carry to and from whichever.
Wouldn't this also include travel to and from the activity of engaging in personal protection in the home? Traveling from personal protection in the home to the movies, for example?
Disclaimer; I was just wondering, no I don't want to be the test case, I wouldn't suggest that anyone do this, I'm not a lawyer, and at this time of night I have no clear recollection of typing this. Oh, and the I didn't have sex with that woman thing, too.
What book or website are these restriction definitions coming from??
It means whatever the licensing officer wants it to mean. And he might change his mind.My understanding is it means to and from the range or hunting.
That I agree with.If the the officer wanted you to CCW at work he would have given you an ALP.
IMO its not worth finding out the hard way.
They come from the same place that marketing projections come from .What book or website are these restriction definitions coming from?? Is there anyway of getting one somewhere? I would love to read it while waiting for my LTC to get in.
As always, we discover that the language of the law is suffiently vague as to allow broad interpretation, and that interpretation will be made first by the issuing authority, second by the licensee, third by the arresting officer, and fourth by a judge.
Until these byzantine laws are repealed and replaced with commonsense laws which are consistent the concept of individual liberty and the Second Amendment, we'll continue to have this discussion.