LGBTQ+++@*&$ in NH Taking Up Guns

[FalArAk]

I shoot with a trans person. I shoot with a number of gay guys. I don't care.

They love shooting as much as I do. They enjoy their 2A rights and strongly support these rights. They are good people.

It's best not to stereotype. I have gay friends, family members and employees. I don't care. They are either good people or not. That's my barometer.

Certainly YMMV, but in my mind who someone is attracted to is irrelevant. None of my business, actually. There are good people from all walks of life. There are effing idiots from all walks of life. I taught my kids to hang with nice people. The rest does not matter. At all.

My name is Rich and I'm a gun guy. And I respect all those who also value and support our 2A rights. All of them.

Honestly, I never paid trans people any mind, I really didn't care what people do to themselves or who they sex with..

When they joined antifa and started taking over cities, rioting, burning and looting and then throwing their personal lives in everybody's faces and made their sexual habits everybody's business instead of keeping it private, that's where the problems started. The trans agenda took over the BLM movement just as they took over the gay movement and bastardized it into something other than what it was intended to be.

Now that same movement/agenda has morphed into teachers openly telling children that they have sexual identity choices IN SCHOOL, drag queens "teaching" children about sexuality, I can go on unfortunately for a long time about the downward spiral the morals of this country has taken in the last few years spearheaded by the activist trans community.

I just don't understand WHY a group of people feel the need to make it everybody's business what their sexual habits and fetishes are, and then try to force everyone else into buying into their disorders and pretending it's normal. Then in a drastic turn of events if you don't buy what they are trying to force upon you, you are then accused of being a literal nazi and if they had their way, a public execution in town square as an example.

 

[40 Creedmoor fan]

Gay and trans are different groups with way different agendas, IMO of course

You bring up a good point. Most will jump to "I know a gay guy" when they see LGBTQ+. Gay men are not confused about their gender or their sexuality. Gay men don't run around changing their pronouns or chopping off their bits. Neither do lesbians. Same cannot be said about rest of those letters.

It is funny how many here jump to "I know a black/gay guy" routine. My view is such: if I am in a relationship(friend, boyfriend, husband, or f#&k budy) with a gay guy, it is my business and nobody else's. It doesn't make me an "expert" on equality or gender. Stop virtue signalling!

 

[Shark_Cage]

 

[rogersmithiii]

I guess so! .....or maybe only certain "groups" are allowed to do that. Whatever......




I don't get these people. They say they wouldn't be accepted at clubs......bullshit. My club would have no problem with them......cis, trans, whatever gender you want to be. Pay the money, come shoot, be an advocate for gun owners rights is probably the #1 thing. The real fact is most of these people could care less about that.

Where this whole thing falls off a cliff is where these people vote for liberal democrats. Of which there is no doubt by their track record, liberal dems want to take away guns from people. We have old white men at our club that are liberal dems........same thing.....they are not readily accepted because their politics are simply wrong for gun owners. They could be black, blue, red, yellow, cis, trans, gay, queer.....whatever.....if your gonna vote against gun ownership at a gun club your not gonna be accepted. Simple as fxcking that. Don't piss down my neck and tell me its raining with your bullshit.

So the real question is......do these people really care about gun rights? Or do they care about protecting themselves from gun owners........ya know..the stereotypical old white man who might not agree with their lifestyle, who is always out to hurt them? Them and every other racial group blames the old white man....its always the old white man who is going to hurt all these groups.
Grow the fxck up.

The reality if guns weren't at thing and no one had them, or they were all taken away from the "dangerous" old white men........ Most of these people in these groups would be perfectly happy about it.

Just read the responses of this group to anything involving trans people. Read the homophobic insults on these boards that people accept as ok. People think that they are doing me a favor by letting me exist, and that I’d better hide back under a rock so they don’t have to deal.

 

[CATI]

……….so where is this claimed outdoor public land range and do I need to join the Moops to use it?

 

[richc]

Honestly, I never paid trans people any mind, I really didn't care what people do to themselves or who they sex with..

When they joined antifa and started taking over cities, rioting, burning and looting and then throwing their personal lives in everybody's faces and made their sexual habits everybody's business instead of keeping it private, that's where the problems started. The trans agenda took over the BLM movement just as they took over the gay movement and bastardized it into something other than what it was intended to be.

Now that same movement/agenda has morphed into teachers openly telling children that they have sexual identity choices IN SCHOOL, drag queens "teaching" children about sexuality, I can go on unfortunately for a long time about the downward spiral the morals of this country has taken in the last few years spearheaded by the activist trans community.

I just don't understand WHY a group of people feel the need to make it everybody's business what their sexual habits and fetishes are, and then try to force everyone else into buying into their disorders and pretending it's normal. Then in a drastic turn of events if you don't buy what they are trying to force upon you, you are then accused of being a literal nazi and if they had their way, a public execution in town square as an example.

I agree with you. The people I hang with don't force their sexuality down anyone's throat. They are matter of fact. It's not their identity.

Anyone who tries to force their ideology on me is not a nice person. I don't hang with them.

I like discussion. I like understanding other POV's. I may not agree but I can disagree with respect. Then we'll go out for a beer and enjoy discussing guns, golf, work or whatever.

The moment someone pushes their beliefs on me, or as in one case was astounded how I could feel a certain way, we're done.

Just hang with nice people. Solves a lot of problems.

 

[appraiser]

an armed gay person is a safe gay person.

My Niece has a CCW permit and carries a weapon for just that reason

 

[heck ya beaches]

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an armed gay person is a safe gay person.

My Niece has a CCW permit and carries a weapon for just that reason

they're less safe due to their statistical likelihood for wanting to off themselves. i hope your niece isn't part of that risk group and i'm glad to hear she's exercising her rights.

 

[richc]

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they're less safe due to their statistical likelihood for wanting to off themselves. i hope your niece isn't part of that risk group and i'm glad to hear she's exercising her rights.

What the hell is wrong with you??? Seriously...

 

[heck ya beaches]

What the hell is wrong with you??? Seriously...

you know that i'm not responsible for the statistic, right?

 

[In God We Trust]

Great, putting guns in the hands of the mentally unwell. No way this is going to end in suicides and mass shooters.

Like they say. “Freedom is dangerous.”

I don’t care for their lifestyle or politics, but if they are pro gun, they at least have that going for them.

 

[drgrant]

Great, putting guns in the hands of the mentally unwell. No way this is going to end in suicides and mass shooters.

Lol an lmnopq gun club makes mass shooters and suicides go up? that was ever a barrier? Seriously?

Lol most people in this country are mentally unwell depending on how the wind blows and who is writing the "Definitions" that day.

That said, conversely, politically most people who are mentally ill dont try to aggressively make themselves a potected class, either.

If you were to audit people aggressively on mental fitness, even "otherwise reasonable appearing people" most people would fail in some way or
another.

 

[drgrant]

Doesn’t bother me as long as they support my right to own as well.

Most of them won't, you can take that to the bank. Most of them will keep voting for commies, and keep voting for people who want to kill us and steal all our shit.

As to the mentally unstable comments, have you been to a gun show recently? Some of the whackos there are pretty extreme as well. Unstable is not just an LGBTQ thing.

like I just mentioned the whole country is rife with mental illness, the fun happesn though when people in power get to decide where the lines are.

 

[Mtn_Guy]

Rainbow Reloaders sounds like a bunch of Rukus Riders

 

[rogersmithiii]

"They" are saying in the article they wouldn't be welcomed at gunclubs, they probably never tried and just assumed because if they were accepted, it would go against their agenda... The game is not to be equal anymore for them, the game is to separate themselves and claim victim status.

I attended a recent meeting of my Republican town committee.

I find politicians on both sides of the fence to be highly objectionable, but I vote Republican because they are a tiny bit less objectionable than the Democrats

At that meeting, I had to stand there, and listen to ignorant, rude, abusive comments about trans people. At least in today's society, ignorant people watch their mouths around black people and other groups who have political power. Many people still call black people the N word, but they don't dare use it in public. Trans people are not accorded the same level of civility. People can make rude, nasty comments while they are actually looking at me, and no one says a word.

So after listening to this nonsense all night, I posted on the RTC website, that this sort of ignorant, bigoted, rude commentary was beneath such an august body. I said that it was obvious that people didn't understand the issue, and that although I didn't expect them to accept the other side, I at least thought that they should be exposed to it. It's like when liberals talk about banning assault weapons. They don't really understand the issue enough to make an intelligent decision.

I've made presentations about gender to hospital staffers, universities and business groups, and offered to make that presentation to educate. I didn't expect anyone to agree with me, but I wanted people to hear the other side, instead of assuming that everything coming out of the mouths of Glen Beck, Fox News and the rest is accurate.

The response? We don't want to hear your presentation. We have our minds made up. We know the facts, and we're not going to waste our time. If you don't like the insults, don't attend.
The message was that they were doing as much as they needed by letting me live, and I should show my appreciation by going back into the closet so they don't have to deal with it.

You can make all the comments about pronouns, gender, and trans people you want. You can guffaw about homos, sucking dicks, and faggots. Those kind of comments are a regular feature on this board.

The reality is that you are intentionally ignorant, clueless, and worse, impervious to any care that you are hurting other people who never did anything to you.

It's no different than the idiots who make inane comments about guns, black rifles, silencers, and short barrel rifles.

 

[Bt74]

Just read the responses of this group to anything involving trans people. Read the homophobic insults on these boards that people accept as ok. People think that they are doing me a favor by letting me exist, and that I’d better hide back under a rock so they don’t have to deal.

As soon as someone trots out "homophobic", I pay no attention to them, much as I do when they use the term "Racist". Very few have an unreasonable fear of homosexuals.

 

[rogersmithiii]

Honestly, I never paid trans people any mind, I really didn't care what people do to themselves or who they sex with..

When they joined antifa and started taking over cities, rioting, burning and looting and then throwing their personal lives in everybody's faces and made their sexual habits everybody's business instead of keeping it private, that's where the problems started. The trans agenda took over the BLM movement just as they took over the gay movement and bastardized it into something other than what it was intended to be.

Now that same movement/agenda has morphed into teachers openly telling children that they have sexual identity choices IN SCHOOL, drag queens "teaching" children about sexuality, I can go on unfortunately for a long time about the downward spiral the morals of this country has taken in the last few years spearheaded by the activist trans community.

I just don't understand WHY a group of people feel the need to make it everybody's business what their sexual habits and fetishes are, and then try to force everyone else into buying into their disorders and pretending it's normal. Then in a drastic turn of events if you don't buy what they are trying to force upon you, you are then accused of being a literal nazi and if they had their way, a public execution in town square as an example.

I am trans, and I did not join Antifa. I did not march, protest, talk to CNN, or show up at a Nancy Pelosi political rally. None of the other trans professionals that I know did that either.
This is the same as saying all gun owners are members of white supremacist groups, and are the ones who mowed down all of those marchers at that parade in Virginia.

You can't put people into boxes.

 

[drgrant]

Agree! We've been fighting against anti-gunners for decades because they made 2A a right-wing cause. The more liberal, left-of-center, communist, whatever wake up to the fact 2A IS the greatest equalizer, the less will 2A be viewed as a right-wing 'cause. When gun ownership rises amongst liberals, women, and minorities, the anti-2A will fizzle and this is THE most desired outcome. Here's why:
Yes, the SCOTUS can rule that existing anti-2A laws are illegal but they cannot stop creation of new bad laws. Once anti-2A position is no longer the something the left majority will support, the politicians will stop passing new bad laws, while SCOTUS will take care of the existing ones.

Yeah good luck with that. 2A is incongruent with things like communism and authoritarianism. You can't really believe in RKBA and either of those other things at once, that's not how that works Beatrice. That's basically like someone trying to convince you that they're a devout christian and a polytheist at the same time. one thing precludes the other.

Also outside of women (because some of them get a brain and get off the commie shit) most of those people you mention will still vote for commies.

You havent been around much apparently because you already would know what they would say when it comes down to the nails.

Every moonbat retard that says that they believe in RKBA says the following when challenged about why they voted for some shitbird that wants to ban guns:

"Bweah, Well, there are more important things than guns/gun rights"

EVERY f***ING ONE OF THEM.

They will sell you out at the drop of a hat, even for a pol who is basically only talking lip service to gays.

I should I know I had one of "those" in my life for the better part of a decade. I know how "they" operate. I also almost dated one or two others that said
exactly the same thing.

That's how you know when it comes down to it they don't actually care, they're just virtue signaling that because they think its cool.

Lets just put it this way there isn't exactly an abundance of LGBTMNOPQIA+++++ whatevers and classical liberals hanging around that would truly align with 2A
politically. I would be happy to support those people and respect their differences because theyre more likely to accept whatever mine are. But I dont think the "libertarian
leaning" wing of those people is very large. And its actually a travesty but thats a whole other thing unto and of itself. Too many people are obsessed with getting the government involved in other peoples shit. This is the CORE, #1 overriding problem.

I'm not even some kind of a hard core right wing guy, but I know this... the few people who actually do happen to give a shit about my rights are "over there". It is the path of least resistance to operate from there than it is to take a brainwashed leftist and try to unf*** them. It's also very easy for me to understand where most conservatives come from. Many of them don't even care what someone else does, they just want the .gov to leave them the f*** alone. That's tied with RKBA/2A pretty well.

The other thing that only ever seems to exist on the right at all (not in totality, but at least some fractions). Most of them outside of the hardcore juicers and jingocons don't want to use the
power of government to kill you and steal most of your shit. At least there's a measurable fraction that believes in some sort of freedom. If you can't see those optics/numbers I feel sorry for you... but that's the reality.

 

[drgrant]

I am trans, and I did not join Antifa. I did not march, protest, talk to CNN, or show up at a Nancy Pelosi political rally. None of the other trans professionals that I know did that either.
This is the same as saying all gun owners are members of white supremacist groups, and are the ones who mowed down all of those marchers at that parade in Virginia.

You can't put people into boxes.

Lol well you folks need to start doing something, because as a group "LGBTMNOPQ that aren't commies" is almost completely invisible. Of course the media does not help that
problem either. The last thing anyone will ever see on TV is a trans person that is truly pro 2a, a trans person that opposes forcing things on other people, etc, and so on... you know exactly what I'm talking about.

I am smart enough to know that "you" exist as an entity, but most people in this country can't think beyond the last glass of brawndo they f***ing guzzled because they're retarded.

 

[LakeTrout]

Pie in the sky but if enough left voters wanted gun rights, then maybe left politicians would have no choice but to support it. Gotta start somewhere...

They’ll arm their own for the civil war but that’s it.

 

[Garys]

If it wasn't for double triple standards, the Democratzis wouldn't have any standards at all.

The only gun grabbers are these idiots. There is so much hypocrisy in them you can smell it.



Well duh, you vote for people who want to take our guns and freedoms, why would you be welcome?



Again I guarantee you there isn't a Trump or Sununu voter in the group, they vote for LEFTISTS who want to DISARM everyone. The first rule of being a leftist is being a hypocrite.

I wonder where the political donations of their leadership go to.

These leftists gun groups make me laugh. "We like guns too, we vote for everyone who wants to take them from you, why don't you accept us as gun owners?"

 

[rogersmithiii]

Lol an lmnopq gun club makes mass shooters and suicides go up? that was ever a barrier? Seriously?

Lol most people in this country are mentally unwell depending on how the wind blows and who is writing the "Definitions" that day.

That said, conversely, politically most people who are mentally ill dont try to aggressively make themselves a potected class, either.

If you were to audit people aggressively on mental fitness, even otherwise reasonable appearing people" most people would fail in some way or
another.

Most LGBT people don't want to be a protected class. They want the same rights, treatment, and respect as anyone else.
It doesn't help that the communist left has infiltrated this issue, and hijacked it to push their socialist agenda.

The people on social media, the press, and in video who support trans rights are the Marxists, the socialists, and the far left whackos. The middle of the road LGBT people never show up in the press. They work, shoot, care for their loved ones, and cut the grass.

 

[namedpipes]

Exactly, but sitting there with open arms and thinking someone is your friend just because they own the same tool as you do is foolish.

Also, if anyone thinks LGTBQ is arming themselves for fear of an over reaching .gov, you are in for a rude awakening lol Antifa is a good example to look at if there is any doubt who their enemy is.

I agree completely on the first point.

On the second, turn it around. You're literally putting yourself in the role of a Massachusetts Chief of Police, deciding that some guy with a long, scraggly haircut is unsuitable to carry a gun.

Its none of our business WHY someone carries a gun until they USE it nefariously. Until then it's just a tool, not unlike the one you have on your hip.

 

[Mesatchornug]

That's basically like someone trying to convince you that they're a devout christian and a polytheist at the same time. one thing precludes the other.

I dunno man, a tripartite G-d sounds an awful lot like polytheism to me.

Lets just put it this way there isn't exactly an abundance of LGBTMNOPQIA+++++ whatevers and classical liberals hanging around that would truly align with 2A
politically.

Tons of classical liberals support 2A, even ones who don't like it. At the end of the day, you're describing Log Cabin Republicans - who tend to be classical liberals or "New England conservatives" and tend to support a philosophy based in natural rights.

The biggest problem I see lies in the fact that they're all floating around, feeling like outcasts everywhere. There is no more "Big Tent" party. Issue bundling works to increase division.

 

[VetteGirlMA]

Example of an "anti-trans" law?

Halting gender care for transgender teenagers, banning books, etc. It's all going to backfire.

 

[Rocky Mosasaurus]

Come, let us gingerly touch our tips!


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DnsAR4Gaa04

 

[namedpipes]

Example of an "anti-trans" law?

Texas bill would ban nearly all gender-affirming care, including for trans adults

Senate Bill 1029 would make it illegal for nearly all trans people in the state to receive both surgical and nonsurgical treatments.

www.cbsnews.com

The bill, S.B. 1029, which was introduced on Feb. 17 by Republican state Sen. Bob Hall, would ban "public funding for gender modifications and treatments," bar some health plans from providing "coverage for a gender modification procedure," and increase legal liability through malpractice suits for medical professionals or health care providers that offer gender-affirming care.

The bill lists as gender-affirming procedures any surgeries performed on a patient's genitals, mastectomies, and prescriptions of puberty blockers or hormones "for the purpose of transitioning a patient's biological sex ... or affirming the patient's perception of the patient's sex."

I don't have a dog in the fight, other than being a little reluctant to apply to some other group similar tactics that are used on MY demographic. (fat, old, bald guy strapping a .45)

I don't advocate someone swap out body parts, but I also don't CARE if someone does. None of my business in the same way it's nobody else's business if I carry a real gun, or a Glock, or even if I were a pacifist.

 

[drgrant]

Most LGBT people don't want to be a protected class. They want the same rights, treatment, and respect as anyone else.
It doesn't help that the communist left has infiltrated this issue, and hijacked it to push their socialist agenda.

The people on social media, the press, and in video who support trans rights are the Marxists, the socialists, and the far left whackos. The middle of the road LGBT people never show up in the press. They work, shoot, care for their loved ones, and cut the grass.

The problem is the more reasonable people on that side are virtually invisible in the dialogue/narrative, and IMHO that is a huge problem. The commies just walked right in and
"took over the whole band" as it were. Reminds me of those fudd takeovers at gun clubs, except you folks are in a situation where the fudds control 99% of the gun
clubs. " which is a big problem, because then the rest of the world thinks you are fudds......

 

[VetteGirlMA]

I agree completely on the first point.

On the second, turn it around. You're literally putting yourself in the role of a Massachusetts Chief of Police, deciding that some guy with a long, scraggly haircut is unsuitable to carry a gun.

Its none of our business WHY someone carries a gun until they USE it nefariously. Until then it's just a tool, not unlike the one you have on your hip.

This and let me take this one step further. If a drug dealer is walking down the street with a bag of fentanyl in his pocket and a gun tucked in his waistband, then only crime being committed is the fentanyl possession and if on a jury I would not vote guilty on the gun charge so I would go as far as saying a criminal can just as easily act in self defense as a 'lawful' citizen. So as far as who can carry, the answer to me anyways is anyone who wants to. That's what rights look like not picking and choosing who can or can't armed. F*** that, we already have that and it's stupid and unnecessary.

 

[namedpipes]

you must be cold living with such thin skin.

@Broc is so cold, he once literally took a soda out of my hands (was at a bullet casting class) and poured it on the ground because I asked him if he still shoots .40