Oh boy a bunch more of poorly vetted and most likely even more poorly trained a-holes running around with badges and guns and a sense of invulnerability.
Can't see where this could go wrong.
Can't see where this could go wrong.
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You guys are paranoid. LOL
A client of mine got the alarm bell rung by a d-bag IRS agent. IRS Police didn't show up. The FBI did. In a panel van.![[rofl]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/013.gif "ROFL [rofl]")
As much as I hate the IRS - and I hate them for 30,000 more reasons than you do - I'm not real worried about them getting weaponized. Would you want to go into someone's office to ask for records and NOT be armed???? Just some backwater bar or whatever?? Same reason we don't want civilian workers wandering in and seeing if inner-city tools "need help" unarmed, SOME IRS agents NEED to be armed - in case someone starts blastin.
(TBH - the biggest problem in the IRS is the fact that they are unionized federal workers. This means they can do 1/3 hte work and complain 3x as much. I'm not sure all of them are back in the office from Covid. It's 3 years later. Get your sorry asses in teh office, work a full shift and ANSWER THE GD PHONE!)
Yikes.
Imagine the horror of requesting paperwork in a rural area no less. Can’t trust those backwater gun owners.
On the front for 97% of the masses the IRS is cuddly compared to mdor etc.... sure. But if you're one of the 3%..... watch out. You are hopelessly naive if you don't think they can become weaponized.You guys are paranoid. LOL
A client of mine got the alarm bell rung by a d-bag IRS agent. IRS Police didn't show up. The FBI did. In a panel van.
As much as I hate the IRS - and I hate them for 30,000 more reasons than you do - I'm not real worried about them getting weaponized. Would you want to go into someone's office to ask for records and NOT be armed???? Just some backwater bar or whatever?? Same reason we don't want civilian workers wandering in and seeing if inner-city tools "need help" unarmed, SOME IRS agents NEED to be armed - in case someone starts blastin.
(TBH - the biggest problem in the IRS is the fact that they are unionized federal workers. This means they can do 1/3 hte work and complain 3x as much. I'm not sure all of them are back in the office from Covid. It's 3 years later. Get your sorry asses in teh office, work a full shift and ANSWER THE GD PHONE!)
They already have been.
Obama weaponized them during his presidency. We are watching the DOJ being weaponized before our eyes currently. They don’t need guns to be government thugs.
Yes they've been weaponized against certain parties but I think the scope is going to increase to an uncomfortable level that will start penetrating commoners..... of course the only thing protecting the commoners is the fact that the government is incompetent at pretty much everything especially when it comes to that stuff.... it's kind of funny they talk s*** about busting money launderers and all those other crap but you start to see all these gas stations, inside the 95/93 loops all over the place that aren't obviously used for legitimate business.... based upon the prices you see on the sign they're still all standing there....
they 10 steps ahead of the "state" because of sloth
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Why do liberals always start the high pitched screaming? These people are all mentally insane and/or on drugs.
KBCraig
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The most notable thing that happened during my time at FLETC, was an IRS Agent trainee was busted for prostitution. In the dorms.
I never did find out if they went after her for unpaid taxes.
I never did find out if they went after her for unpaid taxes.
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As someone who was in a government union as both a supervisor and member of the bargaining unit for 18 years, please enlighten me where I am wrong...
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There are 78 or 79 federal employee unions so your experience in one does not translate to the others. Some are covered with a CBA which detail pay, benefits, conditions, etc. Some are loose affiliations that resemble more like a social club.
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Pay rates are set by OPM based on the job series and classification that OPM determines. If OPM determines that the pay rate for a series tops out at is a GS11, the union can't negotiate a higher rate. Same thing with health insurance, retirement, 401k, vacations. Everyone pays the same for health insurance across the G (with 1 exception). Everyones 401k is the same. Everyones retirement is the same (either regular or LEO). Everyone gets the same number of weeks vacation across the G based on longevity. Benefits across the G are basically the same for everyone.
The union can negotiate SOME working conditions and things like clothing allowances, but those are agency specific
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Presidents ordered the IRS to investigate their enemies long before Obama was president. When Obama was just starting in middle school, President Nixon sent the IRS to investigate Democratic opponents. But Nixon wasn’t the nearly first; FDR ordered the IRS to investigate Huey Long.
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That's like your opinion...You guys are paranoid. LOL
A client of mine got the alarm bell rung by a d-bag IRS agent. IRS Police didn't show up. The FBI did. In a panel van.
As much as I hate the IRS - and I hate them for 30,000 more reasons than you do - I'm not real worried about them getting weaponized. Would you want to go into someone's office to ask for records and NOT be armed???? Just some backwater bar or whatever?? Same reason we don't want civilian workers wandering in and seeing if inner-city tools "need help" unarmed, SOME IRS agents NEED to be armed - in case someone starts blastin.
(TBH - the biggest problem in the IRS is the fact that they are unionized federal workers. This means they can do 1/3 hte work and complain 3x as much. I'm not sure all of them are back in the office from Covid. It's 3 years later. Get your sorry asses in teh office, work a full shift and ANSWER THE GD PHONE!)
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My god!!! The reaction.... Like an American War Hero died....
Unfortunate incident
But
If they play it up like he jumped on the grenade to save the squad
It distracts the minions from thinking how could this happen with professional guberment gun slingers, coming to tax your ass
Taxman
One, two, three, four
One, two (one, two, three, four)
Let me tell you how it will be
There's one for you, nineteen for me
'Cause I'm the taxman
Yeah, I'm the taxman
Should five percent appear too small
Be thankful I don't take it all
'Cause I'm the taxman
Yeah, I'm the taxman
I'll tax the street
(If you try to sit, sit) I'll tax your seat
(If you get too cold, cold) I'll tax the heat
(If you take a walk, walk) I'll tax your feet
(Taxman)
'Cause I'm the taxman
Yeah, I'm the taxman
Don't ask me what I want it for
(Ah, ah, Mr. Wilson)
If you don't want to pay some more
(Ah, ah, Mr. Heath)
'Cause I'm the taxman
Yeah, I'm the taxman
Now my advice for those who die (taxman)
Declare the pennies on your eyes (taxman)
'Cause I'm the taxman
Yeah, I'm the taxman
And you're working for no one but me (taxman)
Correct.
Point being the IRS has already been weaponized so why should we not care about 80K more government thugs on the payroll.
The vast majority of those 80k will not be armed. But keep believing the clickbait designed to make you hyperventilate.
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Your smart enough to realize they don't need to be armed to harm anyone. The IRS has the power to garnish wages, they are probably wield the most power over the average Joe than any other federal agency. And I was replying to someone who was referring to why they need be armed.
But you do you and put words in my mouth.
Yes, they do. Do you think they garnish the wages of someone without a very good reason?
So pay your taxes and don't ignore their mail.
Just consent to a search if your innocent what is their to worry about? Why do you care if someone is watching what you do online as long as you don't do anything illegal and your a good person what is there to worry about? And yet... just 1 post back you agreed that Presidents have weaponized utilizing the IRS against their enemies. So your ok with the IRS hiring 80k new agents? Do I have that right?
Have presidents misused the IRS? Yes. Does that happen a lot? No. Is it wrong? Absolutely.
Is it important that the federal goverment collect the taxes that are owed? Yes, indeed. Otherwise you wind up with Greece, where no one pays their taxes. Is it important that the IRS have auditors to ensure that tax returns are correct? Yes.
The IRS will need to hire 50,000 agents over the next six years just to keep the same headcount, as some quit and others retire. The 87,000 figure is a projection over 10 years, and not a plan. But keep believing the fear mongers.
I'd suggest you go back and read the entire conversation. Someone suggested they needed to be armed otherwise they would be murdered by backwoods gun owners when asked for paperwork. In the meantime you can ease up on the "fear mongers", "hyperventilating" and "clickbait" language. The picture your trying to paint of me isn't coming out how you want it too. Your being disingenuous. I'm not a fan of the government having more agents on the payroll for a variety of reasons. You don't seem to have a problem with it.
The government does few things well. One of them is separate citizens from their money. Taking in more taxes isn't the problem a la Greece.
This is very true the difference is now the media makes more noise about it but it doesn't result in anything . The thing is though hiring more IRS agents is quite obviously a form of weaponization. There's no real getting around that I mean part of the thing is is you're not acknowledging the fact that the IRS didn't even want these people..... that's a thread that was going on for years now. Anything that enlarges the size of the government is bad they don't have a problem collecting Revenue they government has a serious problem with spending the revenue....
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Zero IRS employees need to have LE authority or be armed to perform their jobs.
(I support everyone being armed for self defense, which is not the same thing.)
Any warrant that they need to serve could be handled by locals. Process and warrants get served all the time by sheriff's deputies, constables, whathaveyou.
Again, you are believing the fear porn.
The IRS has around 2-3,000 armed agents. That isn’t changing. The IRS current overall headcount is down to the numbers they had in 1970. They have to do a lot of hiring just to maintain their current level of staffing — around 50,000 over the next six years just to keep their headcount.
Or you can just keep believing the fear porn.
Because that’s not true. There has been a 17% reduction in IRS headcount since 2010.
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