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I thought the death penalty would be automatic in this case.
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Whatever happend to the US 'muslim' soldier who rolled some grenades into officers tents at the start of the 1990 Kuwait actions? He killed a couple and was tackled at the site as I remember. I've heard nothing since.
I dont agree with Death Penalty! Why?
Death will be the best thing that could ever happen to a criminal! He will suffer no more!
What I want is to have any guilty person be amputated of one leg and an arm and have one eye be removed. Oh dont forget the tongue too! Let this criminal lived a long life with this misery! Let him out of jail and see how beautiful the world is!
....oh not totally free... he is chained in the park! [evil]
Death will be the best thing that could ever happen to a criminal! He will suffer no more!
What I want is to have any guilty person be amputated of one leg and an arm and have one eye be removed. Oh dont forget the tongue too! Let this criminal lived a long life with this misery! Let him out of jail and see how beautiful the world is!
....oh not totally free... he is chained in the park! [evil]
I'll sign up for the firing squad,but I would also make him suffer in the process. [twisted]
I think public execution by hanging or firing squad should be mandatory. Seeing it happen has to make others stay on the straight and narrow.
Think public humiliation, pain, and deterence.
Think public humiliation, pain, and deterence.
Yeah, make him suffer enough so he wishes he were dead. [twisted]
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The only problem with public executions is that you'd have a portion of society commit nasty crimes just to get their 15 minutes of fame.
The sad fact is that criminals know that they won't get very severe punishments in court.
In the case I was invloved with, the second offence Drunk Driver still on a suspection from his first offense that totaled my vehicle and left me with a large gash on my head (luckily that was all due to a strong aftermarket harness in the Jeep.) and in the end, he gets an extension of the license suspention (like that is any determent) and had to report to detox. Found out later that he never did his detox. Oh there is a warrent out for him, but we all know how effective that is. Who knows where he lives now. Afterall, it is far more imporant to register al the gun owners than the proven dangers to society.
So, commit assault and battery with a deadly weapon (a car) while under the influence while under suspention from another similar crime, and all you get is a few court dates and lawyer fees - opps, he had a public defender, so the taxpayers got that bill.
If there isn't any 'bite' in the law, there is no law. And our socialistic society has proven that more times than not.
I have no problem if a guy gets off due to weak evidence, but when you have them dead to rights and then let them off anyway?
The sad fact is that criminals know that they won't get very severe punishments in court.
In the case I was invloved with, the second offence Drunk Driver still on a suspection from his first offense that totaled my vehicle and left me with a large gash on my head (luckily that was all due to a strong aftermarket harness in the Jeep.) and in the end, he gets an extension of the license suspention (like that is any determent) and had to report to detox. Found out later that he never did his detox. Oh there is a warrent out for him, but we all know how effective that is. Who knows where he lives now. Afterall, it is far more imporant to register al the gun owners than the proven dangers to society.
So, commit assault and battery with a deadly weapon (a car) while under the influence while under suspention from another similar crime, and all you get is a few court dates and lawyer fees - opps, he had a public defender, so the taxpayers got that bill.
If there isn't any 'bite' in the law, there is no law. And our socialistic society has proven that more times than not.
I have no problem if a guy gets off due to weak evidence, but when you have them dead to rights and then let them off anyway?
Chris said:
The one I am recommeding havent tried yet.... this is not fame their are gettn... it is real LIVING HELL! [twisted]
Oh I am not the bad! I will have him be treated by first class medical STUDENTS! [roll] with top of the line medical equipment.
![[wink]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/002.gif "Wink [wink]")
Well before we slice and chop up people while they are still alive, we might recall that the Constitution of the United States (You know the one with the second amendment) prohibits cruel and unusual punishment. Those founding fathers of ours didn't want people drawn and quartered, and disembowelled before they finally died. The execution scene in "Braveheart" was sanitized a lot from the real thing. The founding fathers wanted punishment tempered with a sense of justice not punishment tempered with a sense of revenge. Relatively swift fofeiture of one's life was deemed punishment enough, as merciful executions were reserved for the nobility and the privileged classes back in the old country, the working stiffs like me were compelled to suffer hideous agony before death's sweet release finally came. Funny thing, those punishments of yore didn't seem to be much of a deterrent because a lot of people were executed and there were a whole lot more capital offenses back then.
With regard to military justice, there can be mitigating factors which might take the death penalty off the table, just as there might be in states where there is capital punishment.
Contrary to popular belief, most prisons today are not country-clubs, and the average citizen, like those who post to our fine boards, probably wouldn't make it in a place like MCI Cedar Junction. The free wheeling, feel good days of the 70's when the emphasis was on rehabilitation and prisoners were viewed as victims of society has morphed into something more akin to actual punishment. Rehabilitation efforts failed, so do harsh measures, so I suppose the anwer is keep 'em locked up as long as possible. Whether a rehab approach is used, or a punitive approach is used, in the end both fail...why ? Because when you cut through all the sociology and psychology some people are just plain bad...period, and they aren't going to change no matter what you do to them. It has yet to be determined whether capital punishment is a deterrent.
By the way, it is estimated that as many as 15 percent of those incarcerated are innocent. It could happen to me, or to you, so be careful what you wish for with regard to how you want to see people punished.
Regards,
Mark
With regard to military justice, there can be mitigating factors which might take the death penalty off the table, just as there might be in states where there is capital punishment.
Contrary to popular belief, most prisons today are not country-clubs, and the average citizen, like those who post to our fine boards, probably wouldn't make it in a place like MCI Cedar Junction. The free wheeling, feel good days of the 70's when the emphasis was on rehabilitation and prisoners were viewed as victims of society has morphed into something more akin to actual punishment. Rehabilitation efforts failed, so do harsh measures, so I suppose the anwer is keep 'em locked up as long as possible. Whether a rehab approach is used, or a punitive approach is used, in the end both fail...why ? Because when you cut through all the sociology and psychology some people are just plain bad...period, and they aren't going to change no matter what you do to them. It has yet to be determined whether capital punishment is a deterrent.
By the way, it is estimated that as many as 15 percent of those incarcerated are innocent. It could happen to me, or to you, so be careful what you wish for with regard to how you want to see people punished.
Regards,
Mark
mark056 said:
I could still remember a saying though not exactly "be careful of the prison walls that you will built as you may be the one to use it."
I could be the one in that place as I have to pay [dismembered] for my crime... or be a victim [be dismembered or suffer for a crime I didnt commit]!
Your point about justice in America is also true down here in Manila, as our original constitution, whether we would not admit it or not, were written by the Americans! [this is not an issue and I have nothing against it].
Speaking on the level.
What we are discussing here are payments[punishments] for a crime and not about being a victim of the justice system. I've have heard a lot of people willing to commit crimes as they know that it is just "mere" imprisonment that they will be getting! People commit crimes for many [unreasonable] reasons... [reasons not acceptable by the majority] like poverty, lust, passion, religion, etc.
I understand that these are "people"... but again how are we suppose to react to situations like those of 9-11, those innocent lives that was sacrificed? I dont feel and see or hear this to be an act by a human being, thinking and acting like one. These are acts by ANIMALS OF THE LOWEST FORM, dressing up like a man. ANIMAL is still a very sweet term for these criminals!
I am not pro-American, I am pro-PEOPLE.
I believe a true human being should face the consequences of his own actions.
...there is one small country that can not just be invaded by bigger countries surrounding her. Why? Its not because of American support! It is this country's reactive policy! An Eye for an Eye, a Tooth for a Tooth... policy that's keeping them FREE!
Now, about this "person" who killed innocent soldiers in their camp... if he did it because of the reason of faith... mutulating him if found guilty... is actually a huge favor for him... the more he suffers... the better place he will have in "heaven"... they treat us as "infidels".... he will suffer in the hands of the "infidels" ... we are doing him a favor. That's what I heard about these .......
My point here is that I believe in your or our justice system as a whole, though there maybe some flaw to it but this is the same law that governs and protects us and keep us somewhat safe. Now finding him guilty, if he is or maybe not, should merit proper verdict.
It is just my opinion, and not of those who constituted the constitution, to have a heavier penalty for crimes against mankind. I believe in your opinion...
If I fall victim to my own opinion... then I am just like one of those who fell victim by these ANIMALS.
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