xtry51
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House Review of S2284 (formerly SB 2265)
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Once you realize how nice it is to not need permission, you'll tell the Ma king to go **** himself.
I couldn't take all the defeatist Debbie-downers anymore so I went to the range and had a great time.
All this liberty dying one vote at a time, shit sandwich, etc, ... really? They listened and changed 95% of what we wanted in this bill. What many of you are demanding is pretty much "constitutional carry or go pound sand" - well, when you tell the legislature to go pound sand they'll just pound through whatever they want. All this pessimism for a whole lot of "what ifs" FID denials, which will be on public record for further scrutiny, when the bill literally fixes shit like "chief denies LTCs to a woman because he doesn't think women should have guns". Further, GOAL has come out of this with a lot of political capital. If GOAL told the legislature to FOAD they would never be listened to again - but now if FIDs denials actually become a problem there's a good chance GOAL can show up and say "Listen, we worked with you on this bill, you tried to put in protections, but here are the facts of what's going on" and there's a real chance they'll get heard again.
All this liberty dying one vote at a time, shit sandwich, etc, ... really? They listened and changed 95% of what we wanted in this bill. What many of you are demanding is pretty much "constitutional carry or go pound sand" - well, when you tell the legislature to go pound sand they'll just pound through whatever they want. All this pessimism for a whole lot of "what ifs" FID denials, which will be on public record for further scrutiny, when the bill literally fixes shit like "chief denies LTCs to a woman because he doesn't think women should have guns". Further, GOAL has come out of this with a lot of political capital. If GOAL told the legislature to FOAD they would never be listened to again - but now if FIDs denials actually become a problem there's a good chance GOAL can show up and say "Listen, we worked with you on this bill, you tried to put in protections, but here are the facts of what's going on" and there's a real chance they'll get heard again.
If you want to help GOAL, a person could simply gather email addresses from people who shop at Walmart in the Ammo section or at Dicks. So many gun owners don't even know what GOAL is. They will eventually join. The military would call such a email list gatherer a "force multiplier".
No need to sell the businesses if you move out of state. You just become a commuter.
Don't expect a tax savings though. You don't have the income tax in NH, but working in MA you'll have to file a non-res return and still pay MA income tax. But you should get more house for the money in NH.
I can walk to NH from my back yard, so once the boy is done highschool, the only part of my life that changes is my address and an extra 6 mins of commute time and I'm a free citizen again. Living in NH and working in MA is fine, even if you're an owner. Why would you want to sell?
Maybe to cut all ties and stop personally supporting the machine?
I thought the same as you but after reading part of the bill, I think all it means is a person can't be added to the NICS system who voluntarily went for treatment. I am pretty sure a cop could still deny someone who went for treatment, based on unsuitability, if the cop somehow found out.
I still take it as a net win. All of you butthurt over the slightly greater power CLEOs have over FIDs are missing the bigger picture. I do not give a **** about FIDs. SCOTUS and a basic reading of the constitution affirm your right to own HANDGUNS and other items covered under LTCs. It is quite likely many more will have access to LTCs and in theory red towns should disappear.
This bill is not what I would habe preferred but its better than we we were yesterday. Anyone wronged by the minor bit of FID suitability should go straight to comm2a. The only way this state will ever be constitutionally compliant is through comm2a and litigation
Again... I consider this a win. You have never had a right to handguns as per recent state law and I could give a shit less about rifles and shotguns. To those clinging to "at least a person who the chief hated could legally get a shotgun unless PP before..." WGAF???? They have a right to handguns and ARs... thats ALL I care about. All else should be handled in the courts and MA should be forced to eat it.
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This bill is not what I would habe preferred but its better than we we were yesterday. Anyone wronged by the minor bit of FID suitability should go straight to comm2a. The only way this state will ever be constitutionally compliant is through comm2a and litigation
Again... I consider this a win. You have never had a right to handguns as per recent state law and I could give a shit less about rifles and shotguns. To those clinging to "at least a person who the chief hated could legally get a shotgun unless PP before..." WGAF???? They have a right to handguns and ARs... thats ALL I care about. All else should be handled in the courts and MA should be forced to eat it.
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I, for one, am glad FIDs are now may issue. That's right, glad.
FIDs are a goddamn farce and have been since '98. I don't own one gun that's allowable without an LTC and I don't give a crap about hunting with a bolt action rifle or shooting trap with an O/U shotgun. If those were the only guns available in this country, I probably never would have bothered buying a gun at all. Maybe this will finally make the FUDs have a clue and it gets us one step closer to overturning the may issue LTCs, which is what really matters.
Back to your regularly scheduled bitching.
FIDs are a goddamn farce and have been since '98. I don't own one gun that's allowable without an LTC and I don't give a crap about hunting with a bolt action rifle or shooting trap with an O/U shotgun. If those were the only guns available in this country, I probably never would have bothered buying a gun at all. Maybe this will finally make the FUDs have a clue and it gets us one step closer to overturning the may issue LTCs, which is what really matters.
Back to your regularly scheduled bitching.
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hmmm.. slap up little goal signs in the walmart ammo sections? Make them look professional enough and the little walmart isle droids might even think they are supposed to be there and leave them up?
In my local walmart ammo section there's a motion activated camera with a LCD and an indicator light. I think the message is "YOU ARE ON CAMERA, NO FUNNY BUSINESS".
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Money where mouth is. It isn't much, but it's something. GOAL donation was last paycheck.
Sorry, but i cant keep reading through this pissing match. I fully agree that this wasn't a landslide victory. I feel Goal is trying to spin it this way to get people feeling empowered, which they should do. However, do people here realize what state they are living in? Do they realize that the various bills that were initially introduced as a knee jerk reaction within a bleeding heart state after a massive school shooting that due to social media in the modern age, was perhaps the most politically influential anti 2A cannon for gun legislation? I agree that we should fight for shall issue, no awb! But this particular piece of legislation was not written by us. This was us, playing defense in a battlefield that we are largely outnumbered in. Welcome to Massachusetts. You guys are obviously terrible chess players and the same people starving in Somalia, yet complaining that your food is cold and a bit stale. It's just a shame to see this small minority (gun owners) within the state, bicker so much. If you're a utopian 2A idealist, that's great! Break the law here and own whatever you want or move somewhere else. But for everyone trying to hold their ground in this state, within the political process, we need to stand together and work towards something concrete. Am I satisfied? Hell no! But this is more of a reason to stand behind Goal, Comm 2A and others to fight for my rights, rather than roll over and cry because our rights were not given to us by an oppressive state. Again, I'm a realist, not an optimist.
The thing is... i dont understand the all or nothing guys. If you dont want to play ball move or ignore all the laws... but dont start bitching when the MA legislature does anything short of strike every last gun law from the books.
Unfortunately in this state we need to be realistic. Our rights will only he recognized after litigation... everything else is just how well we can apply the lube.
Mike
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Unfortunately in this state we need to be realistic. Our rights will only he recognized after litigation... everything else is just how well we can apply the lube.
Mike
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You feel ceding shall issue on FID was a hold your ground? Honestly, not trolling, but that's a real out yourself statement.
I'm a realist too, and a reluctant activist. I just took the rose colored glasses off.
And..... Just to illustrate how preposterous the "no compromise" stance sounds in the political arena, imagine if this was Goal's stance: "Besides removing the AWB, we want people of all ages to be able to purchase firearms, including fully automatic, without background checks. We would also demand that MA remove all licensing as this is our god given right to own a firearm as well as any military weapon/ explosive in order to defend our land from enemies both foreign and domestic." Utopia is fun, but its a fantasy. You don't bring a knife to a gunfight and you don't bring Mad Max to a political debate.
I get what most people are arguing, but at the end of the day we got ****ed (or *less* ****ed). Id rather goal privately confide that we still got screwed rather than still try to convince everyone that this bill is a good thing for gun owners. I get the public statements, but the more enthusiastic Wallace sounds the less confident I feel.
I disagree. It was still a win. FID suitability means nothing anyway... and this language still makes it pretty difficult to deny an FID... did I mention IDGAF about FIDs cause they have nothing to do with 2a?
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Not at all! But like it or not we're on the losing team. I feel like I'm part of the Jamaican bobsled team. All that I'm saying is that if we focus on everywhere that we're losing and throw our hands up, we'll lose big. We should try to first get traction, and then gain ground.
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Our job in the legislature is to get as many procedural wins as we can to make the litigation work easier.
Pepper spray for all those 18 and up is a huge win for many.
The LTC stuff may get rid of red towns all together... also huge.
The renewal grace period... awesome
The meat and potatoes will need to be handled by comm2a, but we knew that.
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Pepper spray for all those 18 and up is a huge win for many.
The LTC stuff may get rid of red towns all together... also huge.
The renewal grace period... awesome
The meat and potatoes will need to be handled by comm2a, but we knew that.
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Has the legislation dropped the LTC requirements for pepper spray for NON-residents?
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So it passed, right? Did Deval sign it yet?
In my local walmart ammo section there's a motion activated camera with a LCD and an indicator light. I think the message is "YOU ARE ON CAMERA, NO FUNNY BUSINESS".
Yeah, if it could only get someone to open the ammo case quicker!
A different take:
BREAKING: Massachusetts Lawmakers Reach Back-Room Deal to Strip Gun Owners of Rights
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With my Limited understanding the New "suitability" stuff for FID's is in on March 1,2015
(SECTION 118. Sections 29 and 30 shall take effect on March 1, 2015)
BUT, the new LTC "Suitability" all the ***** on here like won't be in effect till January 1,2021..........
(SECTION 122. Sections 24, 25, 34, 42, 47, 48, 50, 53, 55, 61, 62, 63, 66, 71, and 75 shall take effect on January 1, 2021.)
(SECTION 118. Sections 29 and 30 shall take effect on March 1, 2015)
BUT, the new LTC "Suitability" all the ***** on here like won't be in effect till January 1,2021..........
(SECTION 122. Sections 24, 25, 34, 42, 47, 48, 50, 53, 55, 61, 62, 63, 66, 71, and 75 shall take effect on January 1, 2021.)
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Without going back to the document, I *thought* those section had to do with the phaseout of the LTC-B wording, since LTC-Bs will still be in existence as issued until then.
I could be wrong.
This is how the sheeple think, that somehow the new gun law would have saved a kids life. What they shpuld be upset at is the current laws should have been enforced fully instead of handing out plea deals like candy on Halloween.
http://bostonherald.com/news_opinio.../07/new_law_could_have_prevented_teen_killing
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http://bostonherald.com/news_opinio.../07/new_law_could_have_prevented_teen_killing
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I really want to know where all these guns laying in the streets are. I'm dying for a 1911 but the wife has denied that every time I mention it (baby due oct 4th probably doesn't help that decision). Is there some kind of app that I can use to alert me to the location of one?
Eta in reference to the herald article above
Eta in reference to the herald article above
The whole article was about sentencing for assault crime and the the last quote is about the gun being on the street. WTF? Their logic is comical.
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