Just one question:
If you decided to fork them over one bullet at a time, why yould you ever be away from a firearm? Wouldn't you think that the man who decides to fight for his freedom will be carrying 24/7 as soon as the confriscations start?
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Heres a hypothetical for you - re: gun confiscation
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Just one question:
If you decided to fork them over one bullet at a time, why yould you ever be away from a firearm? Wouldn't you think that the man who decides to fight for his freedom will be carrying 24/7 as soon as the confriscations start?
You forgot to mention national health care. That is the camel's nose under the tent to full on gun control. They will declare firearms ownership a "health hazard" (I seem to remember reading something recently the govt. is already conducting studies out of the Health and Human services agency or some similar dept) - then - like smoking, riding a motorcycle, eating fatty food, drinking soda, etc. - you will slammed with a massive increase in your govt. run health care premiums - simply for owning guns.
Combine that with bits and pieces of all the other stuff you mentioned - and we are right on the cusp of the beginning of REAL gun control in this country IMHO.
Oh yeah - and there was a study that came out within the last few months that estimated there are 350 million guns in this country. I even read an article a few months back where the author estimated a BILLION ( I think that one is a complete over-estimate).
BTW, confiscation is already in motion folks. If you want to know how it's "going to happen" then pick up a history book. 1934, 1968, 1986, 1994. Every few years some other draconian gun law is passed To Ensure Your Safety™.
They'll do it using "the will of the majority"; Democracy. Get 50% plus one to vote for a handgun ban or something like that. "Death from a thousand cuts" strategy. Just keep on making cuts. That's how it will happen. Maybe even black flag operations to gin up some anti-gun sentiment from the Hopenchange crowd.
Tactically, I don't know what the next move is. However, if (more like when) this economy that's built on a foundation of sand finally collapses, it might ironically save us. In other words, when the currency crisis hits, the political and economic power of Washington will melt. Overnight. Then the gun prohibition mandates will totally evaporate from radar (along with almost everything else). If the house of cards holds up, I think we'll see additional prohibitions levied on Americans and definitely within Dear Leader's third or fourth year in office.
They'll do it using "the will of the majority"; Democracy. Get 50% plus one to vote for a handgun ban or something like that. "Death from a thousand cuts" strategy. Just keep on making cuts. That's how it will happen. Maybe even black flag operations to gin up some anti-gun sentiment from the Hopenchange crowd.
Tactically, I don't know what the next move is. However, if (more like when) this economy that's built on a foundation of sand finally collapses, it might ironically save us. In other words, when the currency crisis hits, the political and economic power of Washington will melt. Overnight. Then the gun prohibition mandates will totally evaporate from radar (along with almost everything else). If the house of cards holds up, I think we'll see additional prohibitions levied on Americans and definitely within Dear Leader's third or fourth year in office.
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The smart people didnt list their actual residence address on said forms, or on any other state documentation.
If the tide does not turn this is the story that will unfold.
Sundown at Coffin Rock
http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/sundown.html
If the tide does not turn this is the story that will unfold.
Sundown at Coffin Rock
http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/sundown.html
"Go to the sporting goods store. From the files obtain forms 4473. These will contain descriptions of weapons, and lists of private ownership".
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The only insulation against progressive revocation of rights is conquest by breeding. Take 1 person to the range a month that hasn't shot a gun. Expect a 25-50% conversion rate. Shooting sells itself on the range, and even doubling the number of shooters will have a substantial impact on legislation.
Easy, it is simply a matter of unlimited time, resources, funding, and opportunity vs. you. You can carry a handgun most of the time, but not 100%. Even if you did you could be arrested before you could do anything about it. Even if you could, would you? The simple traffic stop, "random" search, etc would turn into a shootout if you are flagged in the computer as a "person of interest". You would basically become a self-appointed martyr, and would quickly make that a self-fulfilling prophecy. (The kid that shot up the cops over the domestic call is a good example). Something simple and minor triggered a shoot-out, the kid killed some cops, and now he is going to probably get the needle over it.
Best solution so far. That's why I love Appleseed and enjoy being a part of it.
I think there will be one black helicopter dispatched per legal gun owner. Blue helmeted troops will rappel down chimneys and the confiscated guns will be thrown into mobile smelter cars attached to the human cattle trains heading to the underground FEMA camps.
That or they'll just keep doing exactly what they're already doing.
That or they'll just keep doing exactly what they're already doing.
And the latter is the most likely method of being effective, given the current track record.
Snitching in New Hampshire?!
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Pelham police want residents to text them tips Pelham police first in state to adopt new program
By Terry Date
[email protected]
PELHAM — Text-a-tip technology gives police a jump on crime.
Yesterday, Pelham police became the first department in the state to adopt the TIP411 program. In it, users can swiftly and anonymously report a crime, police Chief Joseph Roark said.
They do so by text messaging the word PELHAM to TIP411 (847-411) on a cell phone or sending a tip from a home computer to www.pelhampolice.com and clicking "submit a tip."
The message goes to the server, is encrypted, and sent to police dispatch. The dispatcher routes it to a patrol officer or detective or other town departments, as appropriate.
The heads-up takes only seconds, giving police a jump on a burglary in progress or other crime.
Roark said TIP411 is ideal for anyone who does not want to be singled out for reporting a crime or tagged as a snitch. That might include people who observe drug activity, who are disturbed by a loud party, or young children in danger.
Police cannot find out — and do not want to know — who the sender is, the police chief said.
"We are only asking for a head start to looking in to something, we are not asking people to testify," Roark said.
Resident Fran Golen, taking a break from unloading items at the town transfer station, said he likes the idea.
"If I see something going on, I'll report it — why not?" Golen said.
Resident Cindy McGhee said she can see the program's benefit helping police prevent crime, but she wonders if some people will text false information to make trouble for others.
It's up to police to verify information, Roark said, and he thinks people will have the right motives for using the system.
TIP411 is being offered in conjunction with the department's year-old Citizen Observer program, to which 350 people subscribe. The Observer sends subscribers e-mail and text alert messages about crimes, missing people and special events.
The program costs the town $2,500 a year. Observer provides TIP411 at no additional charge. Roark said Observer's price is worth the service.
"A lot of people want to be instantly notified," he said.
And on at least one occasion, it helped police solve a crime. After police e-mailed a digital photograph of a suspect in an alert to Observer subscribers, they got a response telling them where the suspect worked.
Meanwhile, TIP411 reflects the exploding use of text messaging.
"I think it is natural to reach out to people who are communicating that way," Roark said.
Two years ago, text messaging looked like hieroglyphics to the chief, he said.
"Now I text my officers regularly," Roark said.
He now hopes residents start text messaging police.
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:56 am Post subject:
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Pelham police want residents to text them tips Pelham police first in state to adopt new program
By Terry Date
[email protected]
PELHAM — Text-a-tip technology gives police a jump on crime.
Yesterday, Pelham police became the first department in the state to adopt the TIP411 program. In it, users can swiftly and anonymously report a crime, police Chief Joseph Roark said.
They do so by text messaging the word PELHAM to TIP411 (847-411) on a cell phone or sending a tip from a home computer to www.pelhampolice.com and clicking "submit a tip."
The message goes to the server, is encrypted, and sent to police dispatch. The dispatcher routes it to a patrol officer or detective or other town departments, as appropriate.
The heads-up takes only seconds, giving police a jump on a burglary in progress or other crime.
Roark said TIP411 is ideal for anyone who does not want to be singled out for reporting a crime or tagged as a snitch. That might include people who observe drug activity, who are disturbed by a loud party, or young children in danger.
Police cannot find out — and do not want to know — who the sender is, the police chief said.
"We are only asking for a head start to looking in to something, we are not asking people to testify," Roark said.
Resident Fran Golen, taking a break from unloading items at the town transfer station, said he likes the idea.
"If I see something going on, I'll report it — why not?" Golen said.
Resident Cindy McGhee said she can see the program's benefit helping police prevent crime, but she wonders if some people will text false information to make trouble for others.
It's up to police to verify information, Roark said, and he thinks people will have the right motives for using the system.
TIP411 is being offered in conjunction with the department's year-old Citizen Observer program, to which 350 people subscribe. The Observer sends subscribers e-mail and text alert messages about crimes, missing people and special events.
The program costs the town $2,500 a year. Observer provides TIP411 at no additional charge. Roark said Observer's price is worth the service.
"A lot of people want to be instantly notified," he said.
And on at least one occasion, it helped police solve a crime. After police e-mailed a digital photograph of a suspect in an alert to Observer subscribers, they got a response telling them where the suspect worked.
Meanwhile, TIP411 reflects the exploding use of text messaging.
"I think it is natural to reach out to people who are communicating that way," Roark said.
Two years ago, text messaging looked like hieroglyphics to the chief, he said.
"Now I text my officers regularly," Roark said.
He now hopes residents start text messaging police.
In the United States they came first for the Assault Weapons, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Assault Weapons owner.
Then they came for the handguns, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a handgun owner.
Then they came for the semi-automatic weapons, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a semi-automatic weapons owner.
Then they came for the hunting rifles, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a hunting rifle owner.
Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up.
“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.” Thomas Jefferson
Then they came for the handguns, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a handgun owner.
Then they came for the semi-automatic weapons, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a semi-automatic weapons owner.
Then they came for the hunting rifles, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a hunting rifle owner.
Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up.
“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.” Thomas Jefferson
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Use Break-Free instead. WD-40 freezes. Many years ago, I was forced to store a rifle out-of-state in one of those self-storage places (a 209A deal that I won't get into specifics with). It was the kind of facility that you drive up to, like a mini-garage. It was not heated. When I went to check on the rifle during the winter, I noticed frost on it. It was the frozen WD-40. I mentioned it to a retired Marine LT. Col. that I worked with, since he was a light weapons expert in the Corps. He told me to use Break-Free instead and he said the Corps does not use WD-40 because of its tendency to freeze. Thankfully, my firearm was stainless steel construction with a Zytel stock. I just gave it a good cleaning with Hoppes 9 and lubricated it with Break-Free.
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If it ever comes to confiscation, it will probably be a slow increase in the heat rather than boiling the frog all at once. The general public would be shocked at house to house searches, but would accept lesser actions - even if they personally disagreed with the law.
Actions that one could expect to see if things go badly:
None of this would involve door to door searches, or the kind of government action that would cause people physically resisting to be regarded as patriots or revolutionaries rather than nuts or criminals. It would, however, shift the culture in one generation to one where the public perceives anyone possessing a gun as a criminal, and shift the public mind set of viewing gun laws as malum prohibitum laws to malum per-se laws. Without the ability to use a gun club, take your buddies/kids shooting, show people the recreational value of guns, carry one for self defense for years without committing any crime, etc. there will be no role model of the gun owner as a legitimate responsible member of society. This has already happened to a degree in places like England and Canada, eh?.
The massive handgun confiscation in England was about more than getting the guns. The government wanted to eradicate the "gun culture" in one generation. The desire to eradicate the gun culture, rather than a desire to be "nice", is no doubt why their compensation program covered non-banned items (holsters, accessories, reloading presses, etc.) that would be rendered useless by the handgun ban.
There are a lot of internet revolutionaries who talk a good game about resistance, but when it come right down to it, what we will be facing if the other side wins is a gradual encroachment on individual freedoms, not the kind of massive overnight change that will motivate large numbers of people to give up their lives, fortunes and sacred honor in the name of the 2nd amendment.
Although Canadians stilll can own many types of guns (including AR15s and handguns with bbls over 105mm with proper paperwork), the debate over defensive firearms has been totally lost and anyone even arguing the point in parliment will be viewed as a crank not to be taken seriously.
Actions that one could expect to see if things go badly:
- A ban on ownership, perhaps with "current owner only" grandfathering
- Stiff mandatory sentencing for unlawful possession in the event of a "turn in" order.
- "No discretion" arrest policies. This is already the case for unlawful carry in many states - individual police officers are not free to overlook illegal carry like they might a small amount of marijuana or speeding.
- Illegal gun hotlines to turn in your neighbor (already done in some area)
- Friendly visits to owners of registered or otherwise known guns implying things are going to get real ugly without "cooperation".
None of this would involve door to door searches, or the kind of government action that would cause people physically resisting to be regarded as patriots or revolutionaries rather than nuts or criminals. It would, however, shift the culture in one generation to one where the public perceives anyone possessing a gun as a criminal, and shift the public mind set of viewing gun laws as malum prohibitum laws to malum per-se laws. Without the ability to use a gun club, take your buddies/kids shooting, show people the recreational value of guns, carry one for self defense for years without committing any crime, etc. there will be no role model of the gun owner as a legitimate responsible member of society. This has already happened to a degree in places like England and Canada, eh?.
The massive handgun confiscation in England was about more than getting the guns. The government wanted to eradicate the "gun culture" in one generation. The desire to eradicate the gun culture, rather than a desire to be "nice", is no doubt why their compensation program covered non-banned items (holsters, accessories, reloading presses, etc.) that would be rendered useless by the handgun ban.
There are a lot of internet revolutionaries who talk a good game about resistance, but when it come right down to it, what we will be facing if the other side wins is a gradual encroachment on individual freedoms, not the kind of massive overnight change that will motivate large numbers of people to give up their lives, fortunes and sacred honor in the name of the 2nd amendment.
Although Canadians stilll can own many types of guns (including AR15s and handguns with bbls over 105mm with proper paperwork), the debate over defensive firearms has been totally lost and anyone even arguing the point in parliment will be viewed as a crank not to be taken seriously.
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I'll go with the small steps scenario. Why provoke a confontation when you can achieve the same thing through small, quiet, steps? If they were to try an all-at-once grab, I would expect things to get...interesting...in a few places. We'll get to see just how many oathkeepers take their oath seriously. (Not a dig against oathkeepers at all. Just an observation.)
One of the reasons I think it will be a boiling-the-frog scenario is what happened at Waco and Ruby Ridge. Both of those events caused many 'average' people to question the methodology of the government. There wasn't a huge outcry over the motives behind these events, but there was backsplash about the methods of how they were carried out. When the iron fist peeks out from beneath the velvet glove, the sheep tend to get nervous. I don't think we're at the stage where the iron fist can be completely revealed yet, so the plan would probably be to proceed in a quiet fashion "for the public good."
In short, a continuation of what's already going on in many places. Have guns that you haven't surrendered yet? NO AMERICAN IDOL FOR YOU!![[wink]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/002.gif "Wink [wink]")
One of the reasons I think it will be a boiling-the-frog scenario is what happened at Waco and Ruby Ridge. Both of those events caused many 'average' people to question the methodology of the government. There wasn't a huge outcry over the motives behind these events, but there was backsplash about the methods of how they were carried out. When the iron fist peeks out from beneath the velvet glove, the sheep tend to get nervous. I don't think we're at the stage where the iron fist can be completely revealed yet, so the plan would probably be to proceed in a quiet fashion "for the public good."
In short, a continuation of what's already going on in many places. Have guns that you haven't surrendered yet? NO AMERICAN IDOL FOR YOU!
Fixed that for you...and yes I know, of course we'd be shooting back, but just the same many criminals would be testing the waters.
That BS was scary
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"Go to the sporting goods store. From the files obtain forms 4473. These will contain descriptions of weapons, and lists of private ownership".
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Everyone knows battery terminal protector or LPS #3 is a much better protectant than WD40.
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I'd pour gear oil over "anything" that hadn't been stolen yet or lost overboard before using that spray can.![[smile]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/001.gif "Smile [smile]")
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Finalygotabeltfed
This is why we need more people like this guy......cause if it does start to happen en masse, its going to get real ugly REAL FAST.
I agree fully with Sheriff Mack, the 2nd ammendment will be the last straw in this country. If that shit like Katrina ever happens again, there will be bodies stacked like cordwood. Too many people have woken up to the bullshit that is going on in this country.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLJgPuNAh60&feature=related
I agree fully with Sheriff Mack, the 2nd ammendment will be the last straw in this country. If that shit like Katrina ever happens again, there will be bodies stacked like cordwood. Too many people have woken up to the bullshit that is going on in this country.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLJgPuNAh60&feature=related
Thanks for posting that - It would be great if Sheriff Mack could get all the other sheriffs on board with Oath Keepers.
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Finalygotabeltfed
He's working on it feverishly as we speak. I believe he is going to be speaking at a national Sheriff's conference very soon. Here is his site:
http://sheriffmack.com/
Glad to see OK in a positive light, Its a very important group.
I can't stand all this talk about hiding gun's or losing them in a boating accent. good plan except that you can't ever shoot them again or pass them down when you die never mind the fact that as soon as you retrieve them your a felon. Also the gov will be watching you like a hawk that is if you don't go to jail until you can prove they wear stolen/lost of your boat that is in your yard.
End of rant.........
I can't stand all this talk about hiding gun's or losing them in a boating accent. good plan except that you can't ever shoot them again or pass them down when you die never mind the fact that as soon as you retrieve them your a felon. Also the gov will be watching you like a hawk that is if you don't go to jail until you can prove they wear stolen/lost of your boat that is in your yard.
End of rant.........
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Everyone knows battery terminal protector or LPS #3 is a much better protectant than WD40.
I mentioned WD40 because it's mostly kerosene. When kerosene evaporates, it leaves a wax behind that is a reasonable protectant. There may well be better things to use though.
The OK are fine and I agree with them however in MA the problem is not the federal government, it's state. How do you keep the federal government out but at the same time prevent local government from jacking you? If the Ma legislature had it's way taxes would be high to help the "less fortunate" and no one would have guns.
The coffin ridge story is a bit more believable then most people think. It's happened on the state level more than once. Internationally more times then you want to think about.
The coffin ridge story is a bit more believable then most people think. It's happened on the state level more than once. Internationally more times then you want to think about.
Email I received from a fellow blogger and I quote:
I paid a little visit to the Marines out in 29 Palms a few weeks ago. The message was simple: we’re training for urban warfare – it never goes out of style. Colonel Mike was even nice to explain to me how the container village they use for simulating an Iraqi town could be re-configured to resemble Chicago. Interesting choice, don’t you think?
Posse comitatus schomitatus – they’re tan, they’re rested, they’re ready.
This is not going to end well.
I paid a little visit to the Marines out in 29 Palms a few weeks ago. The message was simple: we’re training for urban warfare – it never goes out of style. Colonel Mike was even nice to explain to me how the container village they use for simulating an Iraqi town could be re-configured to resemble Chicago. Interesting choice, don’t you think?
Posse comitatus schomitatus – they’re tan, they’re rested, they’re ready.
This is not going to end well.
