Healey "closing the loophole" letter to gun dealers

[JFR2]

Should this thread be moved to the Member's side? Nothing against non-member members of the NES community, but we should have some OPSEC about our methods of counteraction. Yeah, I know there is probably paying members who work for the AGO...

-JR

 

[92G]

I know at least two cops in MA who have FFLs on the side, so good luck with that.

yup. so if they are willing to sell to LE then the "civilian" crown should boycott. let them make all their income off LE sales. good luck w that.

 

[warwickben]

why AKs? ARs are toy guns anyway, but seriously, what is the point, we are not there to storm the house and tar/feather Healy (who probably won't be in)

It was meant as a joke.

 

[Boris]

It was meant as a joke.

I need to raise caffeine&nicotine ratio, very slow this morning.

 

[jkelly1229]

We also have to stop eating our own. From seeing the BS going in with people (including many NES members) harassing Carl at Four Seasons and this bull shit with blaming MFS.

Seriously, cut the damn shit.

The anti game is that of divide and conquer and we are pros already at being divided.

Cut the damn shit already

The problem is we are easily divided. There's a small percentage itching for things to pop off.
majority is not this crap again
others why do you need an ar at all I have fun shooting my old wheel gun and over under why can't you. It's not like everyone owns an at. There are plenty of fudds out there

 

[bill o]

Are you sure about that? If that were the case, wouldn't the correct word be "or" instead of "and"? Seems to me that if the legislators wanted to ban copies of Colt AR then it could have been written specifically. I interpret the "and" as that it must pass the first part of the definition referring to the features "and" in addition must pass the second part referring to specific names.

The law and official interpretations are black and white:

From ATF:

Chapter 18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(30)(A) states that the term "semiautomatic assault weapon" means "any
of the firearms, or copies or duplicates of the firearms in any caliber, known as -," followed by a list of
named firearms. Even though section 921(a)(3) defines "firearm" as used in chapter 18 to mean, in part,
"the frame or receiver of any such weapon," the use of "firearm" in section 921(a)(30)(A) has not been
interpreted to mean a frame or receiver of any of the named weapons, except when the frame or receiver
actually is incorporated in one of the named weapons.
Any other interpretation would be contrary to Congress' intent in enacting the assault weapon ban. In the
House Report to the assault weapon ban, Congress emphasized that the ban was to be interpreted narrowly.
For example, the report explained that the present bill was more tightly focused than earlier drafts which
gave ATF authority to ban any weapon which "embodies the same configuration" as the named list of guns
in section 921(a)(30)(A); instead, the present bill "contains a set of specific characteristics that must be
present in order to ban any additional semiautomatic assault weapons [beyond the listed weapons]." H.
Rep. 103-489 at 21.

 

[Come and take]

I am still waiting for police departments to chime in? Crickets.....



You guys remember that the Police Chief in Lexington thought the ban was a bad idea in his hometown.

 

[warwickben]

I need to raise caffeine&nicotine ratio, very slow this morning.

 

[rommel]

Do not bash me as I am a huge believer in our constitution and what our founding fathers drafted for our society. I am a libertarian by nature. I believe the AWB is bullshit to begin with, but that is a different discussion. So how did Healy reinterpret or misinterpret anything?

No, the "coppy/duplicate" portion of the MA AWB is in the definition for Assault Weapons whereas the evil features is in the AWB. For the Federal ban, they were both in the same place as A & B.

 

[Jason m]

Any buses leaving any clubs like Southboro? Any car pooling from the Westboro area? My dad is looking for a ride from the Westboro area.

Jason.

 

[Boris]

Do not bash me as I am a huge believer in our constitution and what our founding fathers drafted for our society. I am a libertarian by nature. I believe the AWB is bullshit to begin with, but that is a different discussion. So how did Healy reinterpret or misinterpret anything?

it's a political stunt with unknown backlash factor, AG interprets the law like ATF figures out what is firearm ... except that we had 22 years of solid agreement on what it was ... suddenly she reads it differently.

this is no different of judges "interpreting" 2a ... idiotic, but when politics are concerned "is" is not always "is"

 

[Minuteman Armament]

I had a customer bring this up to me.

Ar10 lowers. Well, that is kind of like an AR15 but in a different caliber (which the AG said is no good). But how many AR15 parts work in a 308? Not the mags, not the parts kits, not the bolt, not the barrel. Not the uppers. So are those ok?

 

[larueminati]

I had a customer bring this up to me.

Ar10 lowers. Well, that is kind of like an AR15 but in a different caliber (which the AG said is no good). But how many AR15 parts work in a 308? Not the mags, not the parts kits, not the bolt, not the barrel. Not the uppers. So are those ok?

Very interesting, I need a spare lower for my 308 too...

 

[Tyke]

This is like when the ATF decreed all shoelaces to be machine guns.

 

[not new guy]

ok, let me throw this out for you


if you have libtard friends or neighbors (that you talk to) ... bring them in tomorrow. It's more about civil rights than just rights to a specific gun or 2a. AG legislated, judged and enforced with one decree, if this is not overreaching powergrab, I don't know what is. Let your libtardies put their action where their verbal diarrhea comes from, attend a ****ing civil rights rally.

This is the one unifying issue with respect to frau Healey's decree - the one thing that could resonate with the common MA voter or politician. Do we want to live in a state where one person can ignore legislative intent, decades of interpretation and precedent, and all context and common sense in applying her own absurdly contorted interpretation/imagination of statutory law? My house cat example from a few pages back sounded ridiculous, but what's the difference? What's stopping her from banning kitchen knives on the basis that they share common features with switchblades? Or regular old porn because it has features common with kiddie porn? Or pet dogs because they're similar to wolves?

 

[Minuteman Armament]

No one can sell guns like a democrat, im thinking they r really the ones with stock in gun manufacturers, nearly 2600 guns were sold Wednesday.

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I saw that number. It's probably 100x times that if you factor in lowers.

 

[Boris]

This is the one unifying issue with respect to frau Healey's decree - the one thing that could resonate with the common MA voter or politician. Do we want to live in a state where one person can ignore legislative intent, decades of interpretation and precedent, and all context and common sense in applying her own absurdly contorted interpretation/imagination of statutory law? My house cat example from a few pages back sounded ridiculous, but what's the difference? What's stopping her from banning kitchen knives on the basis that they share common features with switchblades? Or regular old porn because it has features common with kiddie porn? Or pet dogs because they're similar to wolves?

actually the cat example is probably more credible than ATF or AG rulings. Some cat breeds ARE prohibited to own and they are ... cats. The best way to remove this AG is using her libtard buddies, that would be poetic justice.

 

[not new guy]

The best way to remove this AG is using her libtard buddies, that would be poetic justice.

Right. And you do it by framing this move by her as a big **** you to the whole legislature.

 

[bigblue]

Healy "closing the loophole" letter to gun dealers

Do not bash me as I am a huge believer in our constitution and what our founding fathers drafted for our society. I am a libertarian by nature. I believe the AWB is bullshit to begin with, but that is a different discussion. So how did Healy reinterpret or misinterpret anything?

No bashing, I promise.

Read Bill's post above: This was settled law both in the courts and by the ATF. What she did was ignore 20 years of precedent in order to change the interpretation of the "Assault Weapon" definition.

The copy and duplicate terms had already been defined but since she didn't like what the ATF & courts said, she wrote her own definition. THEN she wrote two tests to further clarify her definition thereby creating new law where it did not exist in either the state or federal AWB.

 

[xero2099]

This is like when the ATF decreed all shoelaces to be machine guns.

Monday she will say that she is changing her interpretation in liquor sales law and now liquor and package stores can no longer open on the weekends

 

[rommel]

it's a political stunt with unknown backlash factor, AG interprets the law like ATF figures out what is firearm ... except that we had 22 years of solid agreement on what it was ... suddenly she reads it differently.

this is no different of judges "interpreting" 2a ... idiotic, but when politics are concerned "is" is not always "is"

Yes it is a political stunt to fit an agenda. But from what I have learned, the way the law is written she has no choice but to interpret it that way. So what we are upset about is her calling it out at this time after 22 years. The legislators were the ones that caused this and it seems to me that they expressly made it clear that copies or duplicates will be illegal . I see this as a cop giving away a ticket for some old obscure law. The difference being the cop is a dick but Healy has an agenda that unfortunately serves a decent percentage of the states population.

 

[jhblaze1]

No one can sell guns like a democrat, im thinking they r really the ones with stock in gun manufacturers, nearly 2600 guns were sold Wednesday.

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No shit. I bet Maura bought a boat load of SW stock on Monday.

 

[Shawnyc]

Monday she will say that she is changing her interpretation in liquor sales law and now liquor and package stores can no longer open on the weekends

And anyone who has done this since prohibition is now a felon, but I will not prosecute you at this time...

 

[bill o]

Do not bash me as I am a huge believer in our constitution and what our founding fathers drafted for our society. I am a libertarian by nature. I believe the AWB is bullshit to begin with, but that is a different discussion. So how did Healy reinterpret or misinterpret anything?

Short version. If your AR-15 is literally stamped with the words "colt AR-15" and was made after the cutoff date, then it's illegal. No doubt about this. Colt cannot stamp "MH-15" on the exact same gun to get around it by making a "copy or duplicate."

In contrast, every other manufacturer/model is ONLY subject to the features test. Copies and duplicates do not apply.

I hope people are starting to understand this.

 

[ivarr]

No shit. I bet Maura bought a boat load of SW stock on Monday.

would qualify as insider trading

 

[Boris]

Yes it is a political stunt to fit an agenda. But from what I have learned, the way the law is written she has no choice but to interpret it that way. So what we are upset about is her calling it out at this time after 22 years. The legislators were the ones that caused this and it seems to me that they expressly made it clear that copies or duplicates will be illegal . I see this as a cop giving away a ticket for some old obscure law. The difference being the cop is a dick but Healy has an agenda that unfortunately serves a decent percentage of the states population.

I'm pretty familiar with both Fed and State AWBs as we have to dodge that shit. It's pretty clear, surprisingly, it is. There are some bullshit like AG determining "sporting purpose" for shotgun builds, but AWB is pretty crystal clear.

The issue is that AG has money and police to prosecute anyone, so her threat isn't to be taken lightly. Justice isn't cheap.

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would qualify as insider trading

subject to interpretation and "intent"

 

[bigblue]

would qualify as insider trading

She will simply redefine what that means.

 

[bill o]

Yes it is a political stunt to fit an agenda. But from what I have learned, the way the law is written she has no choice but to interpret it that way. So what we are upset about is her calling it out at this time after 22 years. The legislators were the ones that caused this and it seems to me that they expressly made it clear that copies or duplicates will be illegal . I see this as a cop giving away a ticket for some old obscure law. The difference being the cop is a dick but Healy has an agenda that unfortunately serves a decent percentage of the states population.

No no no no no no no. Read post 3812.

 

[Da_lucche]

Yes it is a political stunt to fit an agenda. But from what I have learned, the way the law is written she has no choice but to interpret it that way. So what we are upset about is her calling it out at this time after 22 years. The legislators were the ones that caused this and it seems to me that they expressly made it clear that copies or duplicates will be illegal . I see this as a cop giving away a ticket for some old obscure law. The difference being the cop is a dick but Healy has an agenda that unfortunately serves a decent percentage of the states population.

As it was written? She had no choice? If Maura's reinterpretation of the law is "the way the law is written", then the ATF had a decade to interpret it that way and believe me, if the law was written 22 years ago as Maura is seeing it now, the ATF would have already been enforcing that shit.

 

[bigblue]

Yes it is a political stunt to fit an agenda. But from what I have learned, the way the law is written she has no choice but to interpret it that way. So what we are upset about is her calling it out at this time after 22 years. The legislators were the ones that caused this and it seems to me that they expressly made it clear that copies or duplicates will be illegal . I see this as a cop giving away a ticket for some old obscure law. The difference being the cop is a dick but Healy has an agenda that unfortunately serves a decent percentage of the states population.

You are missing the fact that there is 20+ years of ATF opinions and SETTLED LAW on this matter at both the state and federal level.