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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Moderator, Jun 29, 2006.
41 days from dropping off application to in my hands.
20 days from actually doing the paperwork to my hands.
The woman who does LTCs is super nice, and is really conscientious about how she schedules appointments: She orders them by urgency, rather than FIFO. e.g. if you put in your renewal application four months before your birthday, it'll sit on the pile for a while, but if you screw up and leave it to the last weeks, she'll put it on the top of the pile.
This might look arbitrary from the outside, but I'm really glad she does it this way, she's really trying to make sure nobody get caught out with an expired LTC.
I didn't ask about how she processes new applications. My one data point (my wife) is 72 days from drop-off, 29 days from the interview/fingerprints. Not ideal, but not nearly as bad as some towns. (yea, I know, that doesn't make it OK)
I asked about MG licences, and was told in no uncertain terms that *NOBODY* gets a MG licence in Billerica, not even cops. They've issued TWO (2), to members of the SWAT team. (what the hell is the 17th safest town in America doing with a SWAT team, and why do they need machineguns?)
I inferred (although I'm not sure I understood correctly) that they won't even *renew* MG licences, which seems like a *huge* legal problem for anyone who moves to Billerica.
I believe is Billerica part of NEMLEC. So they'd be on the regional SWAT team, for whatever help that is. And "machine guns" would include M4s, which are ideally suited for Special Weapons And Tactics teams.
While the Patrol Rifle Student Manual describes a rifle as a "superior tool," here's the Select Fire Instructor Student Manual Manual.
"superior tools", but the rest of us can't have any even for collecting.... That's sweet.
I'm looking at potentially moving to Rowley and am wondering if anyone has had recent experience with them. They are on the list as "Green but formerly Black", is this still the case? I live in MA now and already have my LTC but it is restricted to "Sporting". I'd like to renew it with ALP as soon as I move, think there will be any difficulties?
I've looked several pages back in the thread and didn't see anything about Rowley, so maybe that's a good sign...
Did you look back? If you did, you would have seen my post that says where to look to get licensing trends one page back
I did look back but I must have had tunnel vision looking for the word "Rowley" because I didn't notice your post. Thanks for the link, very interesting info.
New LTC in Beverly
My experience seems fairly typical for Beverly. Took me a couple weeks to get a meeting with Capt. Terry at the PD Airport Annex, but once scheduled, he was pleasant and easy to work with. I had all my stuff ready to go. I was early for my meeting and respectful, which probably didn't hurt. Watched him type, "All lawful purposes" on my application. A few days after the interview, I had to go into the main station on Cabot St. to get my prints done.
Unrestricted Class A from scratch.
30 days for local PD to do their thing, and submit my paperwork to the State.
Issue Date on ID is one week after that.
Took another 10 days to receive my license in the mail. State mails to Beverly PD. Bev PD mails to residence.
All told, 6.5 weeks from my meeting with the Captain until I had my LTC in hand. He told me, "6 or 7 weeks" when we met, so I'd say that was pretty accurate.
I posted more details in the Mass law threads - but Boston renewal from a green town: A little over 60 days from interview to LTC-A unrestricted in my mailbox.
I can also confirm that they are still following through with this. I just hit my one-year mark with T&H restriction and after writing a short letter to the chief I now have unrestricted.
Interview/Renewal Paperwork drop off with check: March 14, 2018
Received: Still waiting
Waltham update: 8 weeks for a renewal, 6 weeks for a new app. Both unrestricted. Happy to say that Waltham is GREEN. As a bonus, the background in your pic will be the US flag. Because 'murica.
50 days for renewal. Was able to schedule interview immediately. Was required to provide a letter requesting lifting of restrictions. "The chief basically never denies on renewal...except this guy a couple weeks ago. But he probably shouldn't have a gun at all..."
But at least my new LTC, once it's active, will be restrictions: none.
It's been 90 days and still haven't received my renewal. I also called and was told they are still waiting for PYM to process it.
Posting around here not too long ago I was told Medford was a place that would downgrade on renewal...glad to see that's not practically the case.
how long did you have to wait? got my prints done on march 22, still waiting. also did you recive anything in the mail saying it was ready to be picked up? aswell as did you have an interview with the chief? I live in Springfield, have a clean record, not even a speeding ticket and i am 21 will i get my ltc unrestricted?
Renewal in Oxford:
Unrestricted and easy process as usual
Still waiting for my renewal in Plymouth..July 14th will be 120 days
Anyone have recent experience with Foxborough? I read here that the COP retired in 2016, but there doesnt seem to be anything posted since then
Ed did indeed retire a year or more ago. I recall stopping by some months before his retirement to wish him well. Ed was my chief instructor in the police academy almost 30 years ago and I've stayed in touch with him off and on over the years.
I have no idea about the current chief.
Interesting. Was Foxborough actually a red town before? That's what it says on the main post.
I had heard stories of Ed restricting LTCs. I know that he gave a hard time to someone on NFA forms very many years ago (we're talking early 1990s), as I had some business dealings with that individual. I heard other stories that were bad if true, but I never discussed firearms or licensing with Ed.
When I applied for my LTC in New Bedford this past July 12th, the sergeant submitted my application as 'ALL LAWFUL PURPOSES' and told me that they issue unrestricted unless they have a reason not to. According to (DropBox link) COMM2A's scorecard from 2017 for acceptance rate by town, there were 599 new LTC applications and 347 renewals, all issued unrestricted. I think it's safe to mark New Bedford as green.
This is a good point. We have hard evidence that the front page of this thread is fake news. The author hasn't edited it in over a year and doesn't seem to log in much if at all. If you compare the colors to the Comm2a stats, there's a pretty bad mismatch. Should a new thread be made, or should someone else be updating the original post here?
The stats of issuing restricted v. ALP really don't tell the whole story. There are other factors that should be considered.
"soft denials" where they discourage applicant to the point where they don't apply.
Extra requirements (above those in MGL).
general obstruction (i.e. hours of application between 9 and 11 one day a month, stuff like that).
delaying tactics (all those long waits are not the state, it's you local PD)
Agreed. If we get anecdotal evidence those factors are at play, it should be a modifier (and maybe a dispositive one) to the hard data from Comm2a.
But right now we have a stickied post that people are relying on, based only on anecdotes, that in some cases we know is wrong, that hasn't been updated in over a year, and that doesn't seem to have any prospect of being updated anytime soon.
I don't think it is possible to give a member access to change another's, whether it is a 'sticky' or not. That would be a nightmare to try to control. So a 'living' up to date thread is easier for the members to keep up with if they do a little work themselves.
Have you searched this 'thread only' with your city/town name? The posts in the thread are accurate at the time of poster, "dated" but not fake news. Might the information have changed, certainly. When the latest MA laws changed on LTC A/B some COP just went to unrestricted and others doubled down on "not unless you are special". When an ongoing thread is as long/old as this one the information changes or the thread wouldn't be necessary.
Search 'the thread' and read the posts, before and after the results, and you may find more information than you think.
Best of luck. Matt
The "fake news" comment was tongue-in-cheek. I already have an LTC, but I almost gave a friend bad advice based on a town being listed as red (when it's probably more like orange at worst).
This thread is basically a recruiting tool, and it's probably the best one NES has. It's what drew me in. It seems like there must be something that can be done to ensure people are getting up to date information. It's only going to get less accurate as time goes on (or until the courts strike down the "suitability" nonsense).
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