Ft Hood Shooter is still alive

[kevin9]

Or firing squad of pork-tipped bullets?

+1

 

[mikem317]

That is pretty far past tin-foil theory.

Right.

 

[mikem317]

I would have been thrilled that he's alive too , , , but only if they allowed waterboarding, drawing and quartering or electrifying his testicles to get whatever info he wanted to share . . . before his demise!

But since that's all off the table, I hope he dies a long, slow, painful death . . . even if someone were to accidentally step on his oxygen tubing.

With the Big "O" in the WH, he's likely to get a very light sentence (or have it commuted by the Big "O") . . . and that I would not want to see happen.

Torture is totally incompatible with a free society. It's unconstitutional and immoral and rarely yields any useful data.

My suggestion? Let the law enforcement community gather sufficient evidence, try the bastard, and let the swift hand of justice take it from there.

 

[vellnueve]

It is one thing to be a skeptic, it is another to be a skeptic for the sole purpose of being a skeptic and coming across as a keyboard warrior in the name of all that is popular among the tinfoil crowd.

Corrected.

 

[Gammon]

Exactly. Three 30 round mags plus 6 rounds from a revolver that's dropped once emptied also gets one close to 100.

Those who find it difficult to believe that someone could get off 100 rounds in 3 minutes or so with a revolver and a semi-automatic pistol with a couple of magazines need to got to the range and try it (assuming one has a pistol and is not just a keyboard cowboy). I suspect you will find it is quite possible, particular if one doesn't shoot like a bullseye match or long-range accuracy content.

I understand your point, but I still find it hard to believe that this shooter performed several time consuming reloads without being overwhelmed by his intended victims.

 

[Jose]

I still find it hard to believe that this shooter performed several time consuming reloads without being overwhelmed by his intended victims.

Time consuming? It takes a competent shooter less than 2 seconds to drop an empty while reaching for a new mag, insert said magazine in the pistol, and drop the slide.

 

[ShadeWPI]

I have a Glock 20 with 15rnd magazines and have poured through a 50rd box of ammo in less than 1 minute taking reasonably well aimed shots. I'm not shocked at all by a shooter taking 100 shots in 3 minutes, that's almost 2 seconds a shot.

As for not being overwhelmed during reloading. It's one thing to shoot at an assailant during a reload, but if you're behind cover, then need to react to a lull in the shooting which indicates a reload, by the time you react and are moving at the assailant, he's mostly completed his reload, and you're committed to breaking cover and presenting yourself as an imminent threat.

 

[Len-2A Training]

I understand your point, but I still find it hard to believe that this shooter performed several time consuming reloads without being overwhelmed by his intended victims.

You have obviously never participated in a defensive handgun class!!

We walk/run while reloading and it is done very quickly with preloaded mags. Anyone in the military I'll assume is taught to do the same (although I have no personal experience in the military) . . . as you can't take a 5 minute break to reload a handgun/rifle in a war.

 

[kevin9]

I understand your point, but I still find it hard to believe that this shooter performed several time consuming reloads without being overwhelmed by his intended victims.

As Jose and LenS have pointed out it is quite quick to reload a pistol with a new mag. IMNSHO even someone without training should be able to do it in a few seconds. Try it yourself and see.

As far as the intended victim reaction times one must remember that most of them were fleeing or hiding. First one has to recognize that the shooter had stopped because they were out of ammo versus just switching "targets" or moving; the FN is not a Garand. Then one has to get to someone you have been hiding or fleeing from. These all take time. Unless one is quite close to the shooter, watching them, and ready to move instantly once the slide locks back the window of opportunity is gone.

 

[Gammon]

I have done a little shooting myself, including two IPSC world championship matches. Reloads can be made quite quickly in training with the proper mag carriers, but become much more difficult under pressure. I'm not sure, but I think it is most likely that the spare mags were in a pocket, increasing the difficulty of the reload. Under these conditions 100 rounds seems like a lot to me.

 

[kevin9]

I have done a little shooting myself, including two IPSC world championship matches. Reloads can be made quite quickly in training with the proper mag carriers, but become much more difficult under pressure. I'm not sure, but I think it is most likely that the spare mags were in a pocket, increasing the difficulty of the reload. Under these conditions 100 rounds seems like a lot to me.

Fair enough. A lot, yes; unreasonably so, no. And that's assuming that the 100 rounds is an accurate estimate.

 

[TheRoland]

We're not talking IPSC speeds, here. I've shot all of one IDPA match, and am not even classified yet, and I can do a reload from a wrong-side cargo pocket in 5 seconds, and that's if I have to dig around for the mag and fumble the magwell.
EDIT: My point is that even the pathetically slow 5 seconds is plenty fast enough if your opponents are unarmed.


If he had five 20-round mags, I don't think it's out of the realm of the possible. It is a big number, but may be inaccurate, too.

 

[Garys]

Fort Hood gunman had told US military colleagues that infidels should have their throats cut

Major Nidal Malik Hasan, the gunman who killed 13 at America's Fort Hood military base, once gave a lecture to other doctors in which he said non-believers should be beheaded and have boiling oil poured down their throats.

One Army doctor who knew him said a fear of appearing discriminatory against a Muslim soldier had stopped fellow officers from filing formal complaints.

Yup, political correctness kept officers, who are also doctors, from doing their duties as both. Careers should end over this, including some high ranking officers and civilians in the DoD who promote this sort of shit.

Note that this is a UK paper. The US media is still to busy covering for the socialist agenda to report actual news.

Disgusting.

 

[Admin]

I understand your point, but I still find it hard to believe that this shooter performed several time consuming reloads without being overwhelmed by his intended victims.

I've spent any time practicing a mag reload in a pistol or rifle takes less than 2 seconds.

 

[RFWAVELENGTH]

My preference would be for him to be dead.

Same here. Too bad she didn't finish the scumbag off! Now he is laying in a hospital bed, continuing to waste oxygen and expensive medical resources.

 

[Len-2A Training]

Allegedly the murderous scumbag is alert and now talking with hospital staff!

 

[TomH]

The way things are these days I'll be surprised if he's ever executed. [sad2]

 

[Gadsden]

"Paging Dr. Kevorkian! We have a new patient for you to see in the recovery ward..."

 

[freedom2012]

The way things are these days I'll be surprised if he's ever executed. [sad2]

The way things are going, he will probably get the Nobel Peace Prize.

 

[Fixxah]

Too bad.
Now we have to listen to the Great Apologist explain how this good man had a bad day and should not be punished with more than a slap on the wrist or a good, long timeout.

 

[mbz4ever]

The way things are going, he will probably get the Nobel Peace Prize.

why not...many others did...

 

[Kalahari]

He has his rights, too. Hopefully, in due time, he'll get what he deserves.