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Framingham Police: 4th amendment? What 4th amendment?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by CCW, Aug 12, 2019.

  1. Radtekk

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    "Warrant."
    "No."
    "Warrant."
    "No."
    "Fvck you." SLAM!
     
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    I wonder if some brave person night swear out an animal abuse complaint against the officer?
     
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    Home video of tense police entry sparks Framingham controversy


    So the cops coerced a confession from some guy. I still have to wonder if they don't have better shit to do than going after some idiot selling a small amount of weed out of his mom's basement.
     
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    they'll claim that someone called and complained and invoke the red flag law.
     
  5. Prepper

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    It is Framingham.... All other crime is solved, so there is nothing left to do except go after people for weed.
     
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    Here's how I see the narrative.....

    Possession of the drug is legal. No PC, no warrant.

    Growing the drug with up to 12 plants is legal. No PC, no warrant. It's hard to say there's 12 or 20 based on the smell coming out of the house.

    Buying the drug is legal. No PC, no warrant, but the guy they stopped was coerced into saying where he bought it....which leads to....

    Selling the drug without paying the man. 100% illegal. PC, so...They surveilled the house. They got the idiot kid who bought it and the one who sold it to waive their rights and admit he was selling 'a few zips' for spending money.

    They have to protect those monopolized corporate interests who have the multimillions to jump through the regulatory hoops.

    They found 250grams at the raid....(had to use the little unit of measurement because that amount of less than 5 ounces is below the possession threshold for even the civil infraction) and crowed about the cash. I suspect that if the average home was raided and they emptied everyone's wallets, coin jars, birthday cards, christmas club coffee jars, couch cushions etc, they'd probably scrape up the $1772 they claimed was all drug money.

    The 'arsenal' seized just gave them a bigger thug boner

    This is all bullshit.

    I repeat that it is an egregious over reach of police power from these thugs.

    What would they have done if they had access to patrol rifles and bearcats....oh wait, they already do.

    Disgusting.
     
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    Yup, I called this a page or two back after reading the initial article. .Gov wants it's cut and will not be denied.
     
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    You may have the ham confused with someplace else. There is not part of Framingham, south of Rt 9 anyway, where I would consider going unarmed, except for the Post Office or the courthouse for obvious reasons.

    The ham is a s**thole. Not as sketchy as Chicago and not even as bad as Boston, but there's PLENTY for the fuzz to keep busy with, besides the minor weed dealers.
     
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    This.

    There are several parts of the ham where English is not a second language....because it is not spoken at all.

    Is the LTC revocation the proof we need in MA that weed = no guns, or is it just dealing weed and not paying the man = no guns?
     
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    My gf thinks I'm overreacting when I say that I will not go to Framingham (especially south of Rt 9) unarmed. I do feel a little better knowing that I'm not the only one.
     
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    punching a pregnant dog....how long before someone contacts PETA on them
     
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    Imsert meme here of jets flying over head making whoosh sound.
     
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    Disgusting behavior on the police involved here. Lawsuits guaranteed to follow. Jobs and criminal charges should be next. Framingham PD has been wracked by corruption for years now.
     
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    Oh, you were speaking about Marblehead. I stayed at a Holiday Inn there once just to see the light dawn overhead.
     
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    They've not been without some issues.
     
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    That’s the nicest way I’ve heard anybody put it in several years.
     
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    Only on the south side, that's why there are so few north of Route 9. When I called the cops at midnight, because the mentally disturbed young lady was back, it took 10+ minutes for them to arrive. This was the second time; the first time, they knew that she'd wandered off, and arrived in 2-3 minutes.

    Even 2 minutes was a long time. And, she was just foncused, not freaking out.
     
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    And some us would be stuck until the banks opened if we had bail set at $1772.

    There is probably an inverse relationship to the cash you have at your residence and how much you have in the brokerage account.
     
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    Despite assertions from some who believe in proof by assertion, a red flag finding or 209A is not a search warrant and does not authorize such. What is does do is legally compel the surrender of weaponry.
     
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    Last time I was in there getting finger printed, they had to use ink and cards. Because they usually use the reader they had not wet naps. The guy had to go get a key from dispatch to unlock the bathroom in the lobby so I could wash up. I asked why the bathroom was locked and he said people have been flushing "meat and produce" (like sausage, bacon, squash, peppers, potatoes). He wouldn't elaborate on why that's happening, though.
     
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    I think a lot of front lobby bathrooms are locked now due to people using them to do drugs, granted I worked on Methadone Mile too so...but that sounds personal like someone’s f***ing with them. Prolly just trying to flood the place, prisoners do it all the time in their cells with TP or clothes.

    Hell we’d find homeless people sleeping in the vestibules of our HQ in the morning, drunk or trying to stay warm, who knows, just step over them and keep going so we didn’t catch crabs or lice or anything.
     
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    Rumor has it she moved to California and is getting help (vs rotting in jail for assault). I'll give them that much. They could have crucified her. Still, the Stamps thing. Now Fogarty. The LTCs for Vets program. The officer that killed someone drunk driving a few years ago. And a couple incidents that didn't make the news. Yes, they need a makeover.
     
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    Agree, but Supremes created the destruction of evidence exigency and then loosely defined it leaving a hole in the 4th so big any rookie cop can enter your house opening the door or through the door.
    You then get to spend 20K trying to suppress the evidence. (See Kentucky v. King, opinion by Alito. Ginsburg opposed.)
     
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    There was no fresh pursuit. They literally created ALL of the exigency.
     
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    Frankly, they're more likely to get into trouble that way than any other. And I'm barely joking.
     
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    The ham isnt that bad. That said, north vs southside may as well be two different cities. I live closer to Wayland and Sudbury town centers than I do framingham center. It does seem like they are cleaning it up a bit.

    Maybe I'm naive, but I don't get the same vibes even downtown here I did visiting my grandparents in Brockton or when I drove through holyoke when I lived in western MA.
     
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    There have been two or three stabbings (the ones I've heard about anyway) in the fast few weeks. Mrs Pipes witnessed a drug deal a couple weeks ago when she had to walk around the block to avoid encountering a psycho, drugged up "lady" that's been known to snap. My neighborhood has had four home invasions in recent years and quite a while back my neighbor/baby sitter had her front door blown off its hinges with a shotgun by dealers looking for her baby daddy. (Another dealer as it turns out). Oh, if you're looking to score drugs there's a park/playground over between Conti's and Dennison where you can get lucky, usually.

    It's NOT Chicago, but it isn't a healthy place either. North and South are very, very different.
     
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    Fair enough. It sucks cause my neighborhood is wicked nice. Hard to believe all that is the same city.
     
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    Sometimes it's Doug Flutie's fault.
     
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    This. Very much this.


    That said, every city and town is going to have domestics and drugs so those alone don't make for a bad neighborhood. When I lived in Brighton a guy got killed on my street in an apparent drug deal gone bad - I never felt unsafe there. When I lived in Waltham a guy killed his MIL in a domestic, just a few doors down from me - also a perfectly safe neighborhood. It's the rape, robbery, and burglary you gotta worry about and when it comes to this, as mentioned before, North and South sides of Framingham couldn't be more different.

    Edit: every city and large town will have good and bad neighborhoods. I grew up in Worcester - some areas I'd avoid like the plague, some areas are very, very nice.
     

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