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Foxwoods & Mohegan Sun CCW
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I dont in anyway addvicate getting drunk at a slot machine while CCW, Just in general what are there rules?
And as far as Security I just hope if there is a problem they have a lot more guys hiding in back b/c the old and fat dudes in the turquoise rent-a-cop uniforms at Foxwoods are not going to do to much for you if the SHTF.
And as far as Security I just hope if there is a problem they have a lot more guys hiding in back b/c the old and fat dudes in the turquoise rent-a-cop uniforms at Foxwoods are not going to do to much for you if the SHTF.
Since these are supposedly indian casinos you're governed by whatever
the "tribal law" is and your existence of a CT permit (or not) is probably
meaningless, if the casinos themselves are actually on some sort of a
reservation?
-Mike
the "tribal law" is and your existence of a CT permit (or not) is probably
meaningless, if the casinos themselves are actually on some sort of a
reservation?
-Mike
That is exactly as I understand it: They are on reservations and in a sense governed by Tribal Law not CT law and I have read they both do NOT permit guns. I have not seen any hard evidence on this but I had read somewhere that there are signs at certain entrances of both stating that firearms are prohibited.
But, since they are governed by Tribal law I don't think there is much in the way of reprucussions other than asking you to leave. Given you are legal in CT. Although if you have to use that firearm to defend yourself that is an entirely different story.
But, since they are governed by Tribal law I don't think there is much in the way of reprucussions other than asking you to leave. Given you are legal in CT. Although if you have to use that firearm to defend yourself that is an entirely different story.
Unless they have a rule specifically prohibiting firearms, why would any of this keep you from carrying? Angry drunks losing money make me want to carry.
icyclefar
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I called ...............
They asked for my name, a brief description of myself, and if I knew when I would be arriving.
![[thinking]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/010.gif "Thinking [thinking]")
I think they are planning something special for me!
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I wouldn't be as worried on ride home as I would be walking to my car after spending a few hours there. These places are huge and crowded, if your having a "good" night it would be very easy for somebody to watch you without you knowing.
I was at Mohegan a few weeks ago. I noticed signs in multiple places that listed the house rules which included bans on firearms and knives, cellphones at gaming tables, and cameras and camcorders on the gaming floor. I'd lock it up and leave it in the trunk.
The fact that they're on tribal land can cause serious problems. Your CT permit is meaningless, and violations of tribal laws can carry federally enforced penalties. This causes a real problem in Arizona and New Mexico, since so much area is technically tribal lands. State law is uniform, but each tribal group has its own laws and regulations.
Ken
I've tried to get a read on this, as we go down to Mohegan 1-2x/month for the free concerts (Wolf Den . . . the only money they get from us is dinner in the restaurants ![[grin]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/041.gif "Grin [grin]")
). I have not been able to get any real info that could be useful, however based on reading numerous forums over the years wrt Tribal Lands, I offer the following:
- Reported that even LEOs on-duty are frequently hassled if they cross onto Tribal Land armed. This was reported in SW areas.
- Tribal Land has their own rules, enforced as Federal charges and they do NOT recognize any state permits, period!
- As reported, there are posted rules against all weaponry. However, UNLIKE in "states" where you might simply be asked to leave, I get the distinct feeling that you could easily be arrested by Tribal Police and prosecuted under their laws for MERE POSSESSION ON THE PROPERTY (meaning even if locked up in your car).
I've scoured their websites (both for the tribe and the resort/casino) and found nothing helpful.
I've asked a Federal LEO that I'm friendly with if he knew if Mohegan/Foxwoods are really Tribal Lands. He didn't know and never had any on-the-job assignments there (where security briefings would likely lay out who really is in charge).
At the last concert we attended one of the Mohegan security people offered me more info than I've ever been able to obtain. She advised me that at ALL TIMES there are 4-6 CT State Troopers (undercover) and a similar number of FBI Agents (also undercover) on the floor of the casino.
We have NEVER seen any uniformed LE presence anywhere on the property. We don't usually drive down there (friends like driving and we usually go together) and need to rush to get in line (first come, first served concept) and leave too late to wander over to their Public Safety office (~1/2 mile from casino on exit road) and I'd only trust answers from a shift commander or higher anyway.
What I find interesting is that everyplace on-site, they charge CT Sales Tax. Don't know if this was part of an extortion deal to get the casino built or if it implies that it is not really on Tribal Land?
My recommendation is NOT to have any firearms on either casino's property . . . not in their parking lot and not in their buildings. YMMV
). I have not been able to get any real info that could be useful, however based on reading numerous forums over the years wrt Tribal Lands, I offer the following:- Reported that even LEOs on-duty are frequently hassled if they cross onto Tribal Land armed. This was reported in SW areas.
- Tribal Land has their own rules, enforced as Federal charges and they do NOT recognize any state permits, period!
- As reported, there are posted rules against all weaponry. However, UNLIKE in "states" where you might simply be asked to leave, I get the distinct feeling that you could easily be arrested by Tribal Police and prosecuted under their laws for MERE POSSESSION ON THE PROPERTY (meaning even if locked up in your car).
I've scoured their websites (both for the tribe and the resort/casino) and found nothing helpful.
I've asked a Federal LEO that I'm friendly with if he knew if Mohegan/Foxwoods are really Tribal Lands. He didn't know and never had any on-the-job assignments there (where security briefings would likely lay out who really is in charge).
At the last concert we attended one of the Mohegan security people offered me more info than I've ever been able to obtain. She advised me that at ALL TIMES there are 4-6 CT State Troopers (undercover) and a similar number of FBI Agents (also undercover) on the floor of the casino.
We have NEVER seen any uniformed LE presence anywhere on the property. We don't usually drive down there (friends like driving and we usually go together) and need to rush to get in line (first come, first served concept) and leave too late to wander over to their Public Safety office (~1/2 mile from casino on exit road) and I'd only trust answers from a shift commander or higher anyway.
What I find interesting is that everyplace on-site, they charge CT Sales Tax. Don't know if this was part of an extortion deal to get the casino built or if it implies that it is not really on Tribal Land?
My recommendation is NOT to have any firearms on either casino's property . . . not in their parking lot and not in their buildings. YMMV
It is against Tribal Law to possess firearms at Mohegan Sun. I found this out when I looked it up on their web site about a year ago. That was the first time that I went there. I never looked into Foxwoods.
It does not matter if they are located on historical tribal lands or not. The Tribe is a federally recognized sovereign nation. Their sovereignty is on any land that they occupy whether it is purchased or leased.
They have adopted the CT criminal statutes as the Tribe's law by their own choice. But the Tribal law supersedes CT law when different. They pay the state to have state police there at all times to enforce the CT law. The tribal police enforce the tribal law as well.
Here is the tribal law regarding firearms:
ARTICLE V. FIREARMS
Sec. 6-121. Permit Required.
No person shall carry any pistol, revolver, rifle, shotgun or any other firearm within the boundaries of The Mohegan Reservation for any purpose unless said person has been issued a permit to carry such firearm by The Mohegan Tribal government. Provisions to apply for and issue such permit may be enacted at some later time, at the discretion of The Mohegan Tribal Council.
(Ord. No. 97-02, § 1, 2-28-1997)
Sec. 6-122. Exceptions.
The provisions of this Article shall not apply to the carrying of any pistol or revolver, rifle, shotgun or any other firearm by any officer of The Mohegan Tribal Police, any peace officer of the State of Connecticut or federal marshal or other federal law enforcement agent.
(Ord. No. 97-02, § 1, 2-28-1997)
The penalty indicated is:
Eviction and referral to Tribal Court which shall impose a fine up to $1,000.00
It does not matter if they are located on historical tribal lands or not. The Tribe is a federally recognized sovereign nation. Their sovereignty is on any land that they occupy whether it is purchased or leased.
They have adopted the CT criminal statutes as the Tribe's law by their own choice. But the Tribal law supersedes CT law when different. They pay the state to have state police there at all times to enforce the CT law. The tribal police enforce the tribal law as well.
Here is the tribal law regarding firearms:
ARTICLE V. FIREARMS
Sec. 6-121. Permit Required.
No person shall carry any pistol, revolver, rifle, shotgun or any other firearm within the boundaries of The Mohegan Reservation for any purpose unless said person has been issued a permit to carry such firearm by The Mohegan Tribal government. Provisions to apply for and issue such permit may be enacted at some later time, at the discretion of The Mohegan Tribal Council.
(Ord. No. 97-02, § 1, 2-28-1997)
Sec. 6-122. Exceptions.
The provisions of this Article shall not apply to the carrying of any pistol or revolver, rifle, shotgun or any other firearm by any officer of The Mohegan Tribal Police, any peace officer of the State of Connecticut or federal marshal or other federal law enforcement agent.
(Ord. No. 97-02, § 1, 2-28-1997)
The penalty indicated is:
Eviction and referral to Tribal Court which shall impose a fine up to $1,000.00
Cato, THANK YOU!
Could you please post a cite (URL).
That clarifies a lot.
It would be interesting to inquire if they ever created a Permit process there.![[wink]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/002.gif "Wink [wink]")
I'm sure that I know the answer to that one!
Could you please post a cite (URL).
That clarifies a lot.
It would be interesting to inquire if they ever created a Permit process there.
I'm sure that I know the answer to that one!Cato, THANK YOU!
Could you please post a cite (URL).
That clarifies a lot.
It would be interesting to inquire if they ever created a Permit process there.
You're very welcome Len.
Sure thing, here's a link to the laws. It's real hard to find so just type "firearms" in the search feature in the top left and it will take you right to it.
http://www.municode.com/resources/gateway.asp?pid=13768&sid=7
This link explains their legal system and so forth:
http://www.mohegan.nsn.us/government/structure.aspx
Here is the link to the Tribal Laws of the Mashantucket Pequot who run Foxwoods. I did not see anything other then LEO, but i did not spend that much time looking either.
http://www.ntjrc.org/ccfolder/mashcodetoc.htm
http://www.ntjrc.org/ccfolder/mashcodetoc.htm
Excellent info, thanks guys.
I made this into a Sticky and moved it to the Gun Laws forum.
I made this into a Sticky and moved it to the Gun Laws forum.
Packing.org lists the following on the Connecticut page:
Admin note
Call the CT State Police prior to CCW on Indian Reservations
Admin note
Call the CT State Police prior to CCW on Indian Reservations
Rockrivr1
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I think people would be surprised at just how much armed security are at the casino. I've a close friend who's wife works in the second level vault at Foxwoods. From what she's indicated it would seem that Foxwoods has three vault areas. One on the main floor that holds the circulating cash. Typically cycles around a $1 million at any given time. The second level, where she works, typically had anywhere from $5-10 million. She was responsible for tallying the books there and registering how much was transferred to the 3rd level vault. This is where they kept the big cash. She didn't know how much was there but estimated it had to easily be over $50 million. She said the only entrance there was encased in a concrete bunker with pill boxes for security personell on either side of the entrance. These pillboxes were always manned and that they were armed to the teeth.
She also indicated that they always have a response team, similiar to a SWAT team, on site that can be mobilized in the case of a serious problem. They tend to keep them out of site unless things are really out of hand. She also said that there are a LOT of under cover security roaming the floor that make sure things stay safe for the general public.
I don't think I'd want to be there if a riot broke out. Not exactly sure their response team would care what happened to people if they were trying to stop a riot or a bank heist by a large force.
Here's much more definitive info on firearms on Indian lands. Applies to both Foxwoods and Mohegan in this area.
http://northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=26805
Thus I am locking this thread and please continue there if desired.
http://northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=26805
Thus I am locking this thread and please continue there if desired.
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