Fourth Circuit: A Person has a Right to Come to the Door with a Firearm

[Tartakovsky]

I own two wired Nest cameras and two wired Nest door bells. They’re worth it.

 

[Parker Schreiber]

The loss of Qualified Immunity is why the case is going to trial.

Again, that's not quite correct. Quoting from the case (emphasis mine), "The Estate’s version of events, if accepted by a jury, would support a finding that Deputy Momphard acted with the requisite malice in shooting Knibbs." The court did not find Momphard lost immunity, they found that the plaintiffs should be afforded an opportunity to prove it should be lost. As @paul73 hints at, many jurors are predisposed to believe cops, and cops are very good at telling juries a convincing story. If they happen to be true, so much the better.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

No doubt a good jury will take all facts to a consideration and will confirm right of the police to kill anybody anywhere for no reason, as always.

The judge can strongly tilt the scale of jury deliberation based on how (s)he instructs the jury before deliberation. Few know, and even fewer are willing to apply, the concept of jury nullification.

 

[lowbuckbob]

"A Person has a Right to Come to the Door with a Firearm"

That'll look good on their headstone.

 

[MGnoob]

"A Person has a Right to Come to the Door with a Firearm"

That'll look good on their headstone.

I was just About to say the same thing. It’s gonna be so great to have your rights when you’re bleeding out 3 feet inside your front door because you answered the door naked with a firearm.

My policy had been don’t ever answer your door… I thought I was being paranoid so I stopped doing that. It didn’t and that well for me.

You’re better off waiting for the police or anybody to just knock your door down.

 

[Dennis in MA]

Article?

I just read stuff for the centerfolds.

Namedpipes - fan of the crease-cooch.

It’s being appealed the the Supreme Court.

Maybe.

I skimmed it.

That would be bad for them. Maybe they could knock on a few conservative juror doors first to be safe with the reversal.

FIFY

Outside of Deer Hunter, the best depiction of a Vietnam film ever. Can’t wait for Body Bag 2.

 

[safetyfirst2125]

Few know, and even fewer are willing to apply, the concept of jury nullification.

I keep writing it down on my jury info card as something I strongly believe in and judges keep dismissing me.

Can’t figure out why.

 

[GaryO]

On the rare occasions I would get a late night knock, I always had a gun in my hand out of sight behind the door. Never cared about the legality of it. Had it been cops, I just would have talked through the window.

Knock Knock...

 

[paul73]

I was just About to say the same thing. It’s gonna be so great to have your rights when you’re bleeding out 3 feet inside your front door because you answered the door naked with a firearm.

My policy had been don’t ever answer your door… I thought I was being paranoid so I stopped doing that. It didn’t and that well for me.

You’re better off waiting for the police or anybody to just knock your door down.

best policy would be start building houses here with bullet-proof walls and solid steel reinforced doors. but for that you need to turn this country into russia-like 3rd world shithole first.

 

[GaryO]

best policy would be start building houses here with bullet-proof walls and solid steel reinforced doors. but for that you need to turn this country into russia-like 3rd world shithole first.

Don't kid yourself, we are one more bad election from being Russia. You have half the democrat party making in their pants saying how great socialism is. They would be thrilled if we had our God given rights stolen from us.

 

[enbloc]

Knock Knock...
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[enbloc]

best policy would be start building houses here with bullet-proof walls and solid steel reinforced doors. but for that you need to turn this country into russia-like 3rd world shithole first.

Or, remove the door entirely...

 

[paul73]

Or, remove the door entirely...

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one way or another, well.
when i just got here 30 yr ago and realized people do build houses here out of paper and even a teenager can kick any front door in - it was a huge surprise.
i wonder how would crime overall be reduced if any breaking and entering attempt would have to deal with a 5mm thick steel instead of paper.

 

[enbloc]

one way or another, well.
when i just got here 30 yr ago and realized people do build houses here out of paper and even a teenager can kick any front door in - it was a huge surprise.
i wonder how would crime overall be reduced if any breaking and entering attempt would have to deal with a 5mm thick steel instead of paper.

A friend of mine's father made an "Unwelcome" mat out of a 2'x3' sheet of luan and 50 or so rusty nails that he placed under a street-facing door on Gorham st. in Lowell
that he had some forced entries on. He had an old home with a high threshold. He put it out every night. Oddly, he stopped getting "visitors" even though the mat was not visible...

Good luck charm?

 

[safetyfirst2125]

A friend of mine's father made an "Unwelcome" mat out of a 2'x3' sheet of luan and 50 or so rusty nails that he placed under a street-facing door on Gorham st. in Lowell
that he had some forced entries on. He had an old home with a high threshold. He put it out every night. Oddly, he stopped getting "visitors" even though the mat was not visible...

Good luck charm?

If it hits the fan, punji is where it’s at. Visible ones spread to route attackers into kill paths, covered pits inside fences and around exterior floor windows.

But you have to wait till there’s no concerns around lawyers cops and lawsuits.

 

[enbloc]

If it hits the fan, punji is where it’s at. Visible ones spread to route attackers into kill paths, covered pits inside fences and around exterior floor windows.

But you have to wait till there’s no concerns around lawyers cops and lawsuits.

Yeah, this guy passed in the late 80's. 1980's Lowell was... different.

 

[AHM]

The judge can strongly tilt the scale of jury deliberation based on how (s)he instructs the jury before deliberation. Few know, and even fewer are willing to apply, the concept of jury nullification.

And then there's the (first) trial of Gov. Gretchen Whitmer's "kidnappers"...
I assume the jury bought whatever the defense was (allowed) to be selling,
rather than the judge himself tilting the table explicitly against the Feds.

Or, remove the door entirely...

Now youse can't leave enter.

 

[namedpipes]

Or, remove the door entirely...

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Dover. Those doorways were blocked over and the interiors of the warding towers reinforced and filled in so they could support heavy artillery during an operation early in WWII. I guess they never restored them full disclosure, all that is made up except for I think it is Dover Castle

 

[namedpipes]

...
Now youse can't leave enter.

That was a good movie