Correct me if I am wrong. It doesn't matter if you wait to have your receiver engraved until after your form 1 is approved, right? I went the DIY trust route. I don't want to have the engraving done in case there is a problem.
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Where do you guys go for engraving in the Boston area?
Can I do it myself with one of these or would it not be good enough? http://www.amazon.com/Piece-Alphabet-Letters-Punch-Stamping/dp/B002ZJ520C/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt
Not to nit pick too much.. But.. consider this. Once that receiver is registered, it is at that point an NFA item.
If you have to leave it someplace to be engraved, that could be potentially a bad thing. And if it is in Ma, unless the engraver has a green card, it gets into grey area. Or if you are taking it out of state to be engraved, again, a gray area.
I would say engrave before approval. And be present while it is being engraved.
Really, nothing will happen. but, just in case..
Not to nit pick too much.. But.. consider this. Once that receiver is registered, it is at that point an NFA item.
If you have to leave it someplace to be engraved, that could be potentially a bad thing. And if it is in Ma, unless the engraver has a green card, it gets into grey area. Or if you are taking it out of state to be engraved, again, a gray area.
I would say engrave before approval. And be present while it is being engraved.
Really, nothing will happen. but, just in case..
Not to nit pick too much.. But.. consider this. Once that receiver is registered, it is at that point an NFA item.
If you have to leave it someplace to be engraved, that could be potentially a bad thing. And if it is in Ma, unless the engraver has a green card, it gets into grey area. Or if you are taking it out of state to be engraved, again, a gray area.
I would say engrave before approval. And be present while it is being engraved.
Really, nothing will happen. but, just in case..
The receiver itself is not an NFA firearm, even after the Form 1 is approved. Only the complete SBR assembly is considered an NFA firearm.
See the answer to question 8 on the following page:
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-short-barreled-rifles-shotguns.html
Also, as was mentioned before, a "green card" is only required to possess a machine gun in MA. SBRs are not machine guns, so no green card is required.
Hmm. I was told by an ATF inspector that even if I put a 16" upper on a registered SBR, I still need to do a 5320 to take it out of state.
Is that wrong?
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I answered my own question
Basically I can take it out of state as long as I leave the short barrel at home.
Don
Q: Does the installation of a barrel over 16 inches in length (SBR) or 18 inches in length (SBS) remove the firearm from the purview of the NFA? If so, is this considered a permanent change?
Installation of a barrel greater than 16 inches in length (SBR) or 18 inches in length (SBS) will remove the firearm from the purview of the NFA provided the registrant does not maintain control over the parts necessary to reconfigure the firearm as a SBR or SBS.
I had mine done at Jack's Machine Shop in Hanson, MA. Here is the post/thread:
http://www.northeastshooters.com/vb...ving-in-Mass?p=4057182&viewfull=1#post4057182
DIYers and jeweler engraving enthusiasts should be aware of the particulars of NFA engravings.
US Code Title 27 CFR 479
http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?rgn=div8&node=27:3.0.1.2.4.7.27.2
Ask the teenager at the mall if he is engraving to .003x1/16th...
Machine shop might know but the guys at the jeweler, sweatshop etc in my town don't have a clue...
Trust's name and the City and State also are to be .003 x 1/16th. Info here.
§479.102 How must firearms be identified?
(a) You, as a manufacturer, importer, or maker of a firearm, must legibly identify the firearm as follows:
(1) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed) or placed on the frame or receiver thereof an individual serial number. The serial number must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed, and must not duplicate any serial number placed by you on any other firearm. For firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of the serial number must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller than 1⁄16 inch; and
(2) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed), or placed on the frame, receiver, or barrel thereof certain additional information. This information must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered or removed. For firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of this information must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch. The additional information includes:
(i) The model, if such designation has been made;
(ii) The caliber or gauge;
(iii) Your name (or recognized abbreviation) and also, when applicable, the name of the foreign manufacturer or maker;
(iv) In the case of a domestically made firearm, the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the manufacturer maintain your place of business, or where you, as the maker, made the firearm; and
Jacks machine is awesome