namedpipes
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Everyone, save your letters. GOAL might find a yet to be announced use for them.
From a legal point of view or as toilet paper?
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Everyone, save your letters. GOAL might find a yet to be announced use for them.
Agreed - if you do have one and want to get rid of it - DON'T interact with the police to do it. Toss that shit over a bridge somewhere. Only interact with police if you want your dog shot and your baby flash banged.
My thoughts exactly.cut your address out of letter, send back with big f*** YOU plastered across letter.. or leave your address.. whatever..
that really tickles me, you are 100% correct, the laws says that green card enables you to possess one without problems. This what this shit is coming to, Mora is not even issuing edicts, she just spreads a f***ing rumor and see people run for cover.
Pretty sure with the world of software these days the .gov can "collect" 90% of all the bump stock purchases in MA by demanding the records of the FFLs. If the "records" are not simply restricted to the FFL book but can actually include all transaction records.No, no. They set up tiny remote video cameras at every gun range in the state, and just wait for someone with a bumpstock to incriminate him/herself.
Bump stocks are unregulated and FFLs had nothing to do with the purchases. They are chunks of plastic with metal springs both federally and under state law until recently. The only place records might exist is at the manufacture when they did direct consumer sales. One can hope the manufacture tells the AG and anyone else who asks to pound sand when asked for the records.Pretty sure with the world of software these days the .gov can "collect" 90% of all the bump stock purchases in MA by demanding the records of the FFLs. If the "records" are not simply restricted to the FFL book but can actually include all transaction records.
They won't need to install secret cameras. I'm sure if someone lets rip with a bumpstock at a range with enough people, one of them will be enough of a Fud to take out his phone and send a vid to the authorities.No, no. They set up tiny remote video cameras at every gun range in the state, and just wait for someone with a bumpstock to incriminate him/herself.
Just recieved my "letter". Now i need to think about a response. I might bring it to my local rep and ask if i should cut my fingers off and turn those in.
Good one.So if letters have gone out and people are now having property confiscated without compensation - there should be ground for an emergency injunction at this point and the subsequent lawsuits... So I'm waiting to hear/see movement on that......
Does a bump fire stock by any chance fit onto an Airsoft...?
Does a bump fire stock by any chance fit onto an Airsoft...?
I guess the question would be why would an airsoft rifle have one when they can shoot in FA?
I realize this may be controversial, but if anyone HAS turned these in to the police, would you mind sending me a message? I have a few questions and I think we could all benefit from understanding how the police handle this. I would absolutely keep your info confidential.
No, I don't own a bump stock and can't be my own test subject.
So if letters have gone out and people are now having property confiscated without compensation - there should be ground for an emergency injunction at this point and the subsequent lawsuits... So I'm waiting to hear/see movement on that......
Is it still CONFISCATION if people are turning them in VOLUNTARILY ??
This is the letter i received this morning.
I don't own one either but this is bullshit. They take the stocks by force today and we let them you can bet your ass they'll be coming for the actual firearms tomorrow.
This law is stupid but they're not taking anything by force, lmao. There are no black vans coming around to "seize the bump stocks" etc... This is not much different than
when the law changed in CT for magazines and such and thousands of people pretty much said "no, f*** off" and didn't register their shit. Nothing happened. The same thing will pretty much happen here with the few dozen people that own bump stocks in MA. Most of them will tell the state to f*** off and either get them out of MA or just not do anything.
Now, in legal terms... Is there a potential "takings" issue with this shitty bump stock ban? (eg, given that the law seems to insinuate that you have to turn them in) I think so. The state is probably going to argue "well, people could have sold them out of state" etc. Someone could counter with the fact that this places an undue burden on the person that possesses the device, etc. This is why most .gov agencies that ban shit will often grandfather it, etc, because it avoids the takings issue entirely on more than one front.
Good luck finding a plaintiff though, unless you want to be that guy... I think part of the problem is though the cost of conducting the lawsuit would probably vastly outstrip the $$$ that would get paid out to people with the stocks that were dumb enough to turn them into the state.
This isn't like a scenario where a state has a registry with thousands of bump stock owners, and they're like " Your thing is illegal, and we're coming to take your shit, and not compensate you for its monetary value."
It would be funny to punch them in the face though and make them put up or shut up.... EG: force a stay until the law is amended such that compensation is
offered for the device... that would require the state to appropriate funds, which they are loathe to do... although they already wasted like what, 60 grand to tell everyone
the couple dozen or so bump stocks in MA are illegal?
-Mike