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The military is supposed to be a service to your country, not a life long welfare system.
No. But you are the beneficiary of an overly generous retirement system that is a severe burden on the taxpayers. You know what I am saying I'm sure. I would prefer that they change over to the system the reserve guys get. I should not have to pay for a physically able guy younger than me to be retired at 38 years old.
No. But you are the beneficiary of an overly generous retirement system
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Sounds like guilt speaking to me. BTW you have no idea what I do or have done for a living. The fact that you call common sense criticism "jealous whining" makes you sound like an idiot. Enjoy your retirement.Overly generous? I wouldn't go that far. A retired USPS mail carrier makes more in retirement than do I with more perks. I retired as Major/04.
Your line of thinking would indicate that you begrudge cops and firefighters for retiring before you as well. Life is about choices, maybe if you had the agates you would have chosen another career field. Were that the case you wouldn't be jealously whining about it.
Sounds like guilt speaking to me. BTW you have no idea what I do or have done for a living. The fact that you call common sense criticism "jealous whining" makes you sound like an idiot. Enjoy your retirement.
Sounds like guilt speaking to me. BTW you have no idea what I do or have done for a living. The fact that you call common sense criticism "jealous whining" makes you sound like an idiot. Enjoy your retirement.
What does any of that have to do with the sustainability of military retirements, public union retirements and social security benefits? It's easy to sit back and say "FU" but that doesn't keep our country on the tracks. Yeah, what do you care as long as you get your beer money every month, right?You Sir...are a f'ing idiot!
Have you ever served in a job that paid you 123 bucks a month? I did, back in the 1960's!
I volunteered to jump out of planes for another measly 55 bucks a month.
Then I went to Vietnam for another measly 55 bucks a month of Combat Pay!
I got wounded my first time in Vietnam, and spent a f'ing year in the hospital!
F You IDIOT!
Sure, I got my clothing provided, and my room and board.....the shittiest food I ever ate BTW!
No. But you are the beneficiary of an overly generous retirement system that is a severe burden on the taxpayers. You know what I am saying I'm sure. I would prefer that they change over to the system the reserve guys get. I should not have to pay for a physically able guy younger than me to be retired at 38 years old.
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BTW you have no idea what I do or have done for a living.
You Sir...are a f'ing idiot!
Have you ever served in a job that paid you 123 bucks a month? I did, back in the 1960's!
I volunteered to jump out of planes for another measly 55 bucks a month.
Then I went to Vietnam for another measly 55 bucks a month of Combat Pay!
I got wounded my first time in Vietnam, and spent a f'ing year in the hospital!
F You IDIOT!
Sure, I got my clothing provided, and my room and board.....the shittiest food I ever ate BTW!
And I didn't retire.....I only did 7 years........I don't get a damn thing from the government...I don't get VA Money.....nothing!
You suck! Have you ever even served in the Military?
What does any of that have to do with the sustainability of military retirements, public union retirements and social security benefits? It's easy to sit back and say "FU" but that doesn't keep our country on the tracks. Yeah, what do you care as long as you get your beer money every month, right?
What does any of that have to do with the sustainability of military retirements, public union retirements and social security benefits? It's easy to sit back and say "FU" but that doesn't keep our country on the tracks. Yeah, what do you care as long as you get your beer money every month, right?
Have you ever served in a job that paid you 123 bucks a month?
Unless, of course, that 38 year old make the decision to re-enlist because the retirement offer was made as part of the deal.
It's fair game to change the offer for new employees; less so changing it for persons who have given years of their live working towards a promised pension.
If employees accept a deal without the current level of benefits, the market will have spoken. If they don't, the market will also have spoken. There is far too much attempting to figure out what jobs are "worth" and far to little attention given to the free market.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and I definitely hear you about overly generous public union retirements, but you really can't put them in the same category as military retirements. First off, military retirements are FAR less generous. Secondly, service members genuinely earn the benefit. I'm not saying that police officers don't earn their retirement, but there's a difference. In law enforcement academies you're taught that the number 1 rule is to go home at the end of your shift. In military basic training, you are taught, over and over, the following:
"I am an American, fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense."
That means that you join and serve with the full knowledge that you might be ordered to do something from which you are not even expected to survive. If you spend 20 years with that weight hanging over you, I personally feel you have earned a meager stipend. Again, though, you are free to feel differently.
Thats what I meant about changing to the reserve and guard model retirement ssytem. Change for new guys, not those currently enlisted or collecting.Unless, of course, that 38 year old make the decision to re-enlist because the retirement offer was made as part of the deal.
It's fair game to change the offer for new employees; less so changing it for persons who have given years of their live working towards a promised pension.
If employees accept a deal without the current level of benefits, the market will have spoken. If they don't, the market will also have spoken. There is far too much attempting to figure out what jobs are "worth" and far to little attention given to the free market.
You are the one that so ignorantly brought up my experience in your previous post. I am a veteran honorably discharged and even that has nothing to do with anything. Unlike you and skysoldier, I don't bring up my past service in every post I make looking for atta boys and admiration. The fact that you feel like your service entitles you to something besides gratitude is an insult to all who have honorable served. You are attacking me instead of my argument probably because you know I am right. I'm sure an 0-4 can manage to reason out why the current system is going to bankrupt our countryYou probably can't say because it's classified. Might you be yet another Seal Team 6 member?
I really don't give a flying f*&k what you do or did. It's totally irrelevant. Your accusation of me and virtually anyone who served and collects retirement being "lifelong welfare recipients" is an affront which I take personally. Take your size 7 1/2 Bass Weejans and put 'em where the sun don't shine mr. ball-less.
You're the idiot.
Isn't that cute? It's trying to communicate with us.Let me tell you something a**h***!...I am 63 years old, and I work for a living!
I don't collect Social Security.......and I buy my own ****ing beer......I still say **** you!
Again, though, you are free to feel differently.
In a perfect world, yes I agree with you. The problem is that we can't afford to keep doing it. There have to be massive cuts in spending and DoD is one of the biggest money pits. There has to be serious cuts or there is going to be no country to serve in another 20 years.You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and I definitely hear you about overly generous public union retirements, but you really can't put them in the same category as military retirements. First off, military retirements are FAR less generous. Secondly, service members genuinely earn the benefit. I'm not saying that police officers don't earn their retirement, but there's a difference. In law enforcement academies you're taught that the number 1 rule is to go home at the end of your shift. In military basic training, you are taught, over and over, the following:
"I am an American, fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense."
That means that you join and serve with the full knowledge that you might be ordered to do something from which you are not even expected to survive. If you spend 20 years with that weight hanging over you, I personally feel you have earned a meager stipend. Again, though, you are free to feel differently.
In a perfect world, yes I agree with you. The problem is that we can't afford to keep doing it. There have to be massive cuts in spending and DoD is one of the biggest money pits. There has to be serious cuts or there is going to be no country to serve in another 20 years.
There need to be painfully serious cuts. Trust me, I really get where you're coming from. However, I feel that those cuts should be made in other areas before putting military retirement on the chopping block. I'm not saying that it's a sacred benefit and even considering to cut it is high treason, but would you at least agree that there are better places to start trimming the fat?
Absolutely. I think congress should start by forfeiting all pay and bennies until the budget is balanced and the defecit is under control.There need to be painfully serious cuts. Trust me, I really get where you're coming from. However, I feel that those cuts should be made in other areas before putting military retirement on the chopping block. I'm not saying that it's a sacred benefit and even considering to cut it is high treason, but would you at least agree that there are better places to start trimming the fat?
Promise? Why are you so angry dude?I am not dealing with this punk a**h*** anymore!
I did live in the barracks man. 3 guys in my room and a group latrine down the hall. I also got a nasty infection from walter reed medical center's free care.IGWT I understand where you are coming from. but in this case you used some less than optimal choices of words. Please don't ever compare military service with the private sector or with civilian public sector employees.
First, would you live in a barracks with three other roomates, or in an open bay? (free housing), would you like to eat all your meals 7 days per week in the Mess Hall? (free meals) Military Medicine can range from world class to third world, depending on the luck of the draw, and no you do not get a personal physician. (free medical care).
Let me ask you this: what do you think is a fair pension for twenty or more years of service?