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Doctors No Longer Need to Disclose History of Mental Health Issues or past Drug Use

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So, MA has eliminated questions about mental health issues and past drug use during the credentialing process of doctors because it stigmatizes them and led them to not seek help when needed because they had to choose between getting help or working.

So, it is stigmatizing to ask these questions for a job, which is a totally voluntary thing, but it is not stigmatizing to ask these questions for a constitutional right. Got it.

https://www.mhalink.org/news/credentialingreformannouncement/#:~:text=“The American Medical Association commends,of a mental illness or
 
They asked me some wild ones the last two times I went the second time I just handed it back to him and said why bother.
 
inkdesigner said:
So, MA has eliminated questions about mental health issues and past drug use during the credentialing process of doctors because it stigmatizes them and led them to not seek help when needed because they had to choose between getting help or working.

So, it is stigmatizing to ask these questions for a job, which is a totally voluntary thing, but it is not stigmatizing to ask these questions for a constitutional right. Got it.

https://www.mhalink.org/news/credentialingreformannouncement/#:~:text=“The American Medical Association commends,of a mental illness or
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I cannot fault your logic. Seems a doctor with mental heath issues or drug use is more apt to injure of kill someone’s than the gun locked in my safe.

Is this for the children AMA? How about asking these questions under oath “ if it save just one life.“
 
“led them to not seek help”

It could also be a factor that you go down there. They don’t do shit to help you. At least if you’re a doctor, you can get another doctor to write you a script.

I avoided going for quite some time, and it got me nowhere going down there.

Just need some more antibiotics and order to see another specialist for my ears and some painkillers for my leg. Because they caused the opioid crisis now I have to suffer.
 
Eh. Fine with it.

The US is obsessed with DQ'ing people at jobs. Want to be a cop in a state that requires a polygraph? Ever given a controlled pill to a friend or family who needed it? Congratulations you are now forever DQ'd from being a cop for reasons. Shit like that is why there are all these "shortages." They do it for all the crucial professions also. And while they DQ as many people as possible, they are also busy making the requirements for entry insane (CDLs, new pilot regs).

The real gem of the police stuff is only 2 types of people pass the polygraphs: chior boys and sociopaths. Sounds like 2 demographics I absolutely do not want to be cops. But hey, reasons.

The last thing we need is more reasons to DQ people.
 
Dench said:
Eh. Fine with it.

The US is obsessed with DQ'ing people at jobs. Want to be a cop in a state that requires a polygraph? Ever given a controlled pill to a friend or family who needed it? Congratulations you are now forever DQ'd from being a cop for reasons. Shit like that is why there are all these "shortages." They do it for all the crucial professions also. And while they DQ as many people as possible, they are also busy making the requirements for entry insane (CDLs, new pilot regs).

The real gem of the police stuff is only 2 types of people pass the polygraphs: chior boys and sociopaths. Sounds like 2 demographics I absolutely do not want to be cops. But hey, reasons.

The last thing we need is more reasons to DQ people.
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Who the hell is honest on any form?
 
As a stupid kid goi g into the military I was asked at MEPS if I ever tried pot. Figuring I’d tell the truth I said I had tried it once. Automatically that answer DQ’d me from any medical profession in the military. Good thing I didn’t want to go in that direction.

On the way home the recruiter was joking with me about it. He also told me something seriously that sticks with me to this day. Basically anytime your asked an important question with a yes or no option the answer is always no! lol
 
Rockrivr1 said:
As a stupid kid goi g into the military I was asked at MEPS if I ever tried pot. Figuring I’d tell the truth I said I had tried it once. Automatically that answer DQ’d me from any medical profession in the military. Good thing I didn’t want to go in that direction.
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Exact same here. I was taking an accelerated ROTC program and was selected to go to airborne school summer '01. Then 9/11 happened...
 
Rockrivr1 said:
As a stupid kid goi g into the military I was asked at MEPS if I ever tried pot. Figuring I’d tell the truth I said I had tried it once. Automatically that answer DQ’d me from any medical profession in the military. Good thing I didn’t want to go in that direction.

On the way home the recruiter was joking with me about it. He also told me something seriously that sticks with me to this day. Basically anytime your asked an important question with a yes or no option the answer is always no! lol
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When I signed up in Feb'83, I was coached to say literary the following at the MEPS in Boston... " I have experimented with marijuana but no longer use the substance"...

The coaching and reiteration for the ride to MEPS by my Recruiter before getting there was insane...I have my enlistment paperwork somewhere in the archives with that statement handwritten by myself and can post if I can find it....

If I am 1 word off, I'll buy a .40....[wink]
 
Dr.: do you own any guns?

Me: yeah, wanna check this one out?? It’s pretty cool!!
 
MAGA99 said:
Dr.: do you own any guns?

Me: yeah, wanna check this one out?? It’s pretty cool!!
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Had that question asked during a physical. My answer was “next question”. The nurse practitioner replied “I’ll just put down that’s a yes”. I said “no you won’t. Put down that I said next question”. Last visit to that Dr for me!
 
fcanary said:
Had that question asked during a physical. My answer was “next question”. The nurse practitioner replied “I’ll just put down that’s a yes”. I said “no you won’t. Put down that I said next question”. Last visit to that Dr for me!
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Use two magic words: "boundary violation".
 
Dench said:
Eh. Fine with it.

The US is obsessed with DQ'ing people at jobs. Want to be a cop in a state that requires a polygraph? Ever given a controlled pill to a friend or family who needed it? Congratulations you are now forever DQ'd from being a cop for reasons. Shit like that is why there are all these "shortages." They do it for all the crucial professions also. And while they DQ as many people as possible, they are also busy making the requirements for entry insane (CDLs, new pilot regs).

The real gem of the police stuff is only 2 types of people pass the polygraphs: chior boys and sociopaths. Sounds like 2 demographics I absolutely do not want to be cops. But hey, reasons.

The last thing we need is more reasons to DQ people.
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^^^^ This
 
As you know MA requires police and fire candidates to meet with psychologist. I knew a few guys who passed that exam that I knew were absolutely nuts. It just convinced me that those exams were useless.

Dench said:
Eh. Fine with it.

The US is obsessed with DQ'ing people at jobs. Want to be a cop in a state that requires a polygraph? Ever given a controlled pill to a friend or family who needed it? Congratulations you are now forever DQ'd from being a cop for reasons. Shit like that is why there are all these "shortages." They do it for all the crucial professions also. And while they DQ as many people as possible, they are also busy making the requirements for entry insane (CDLs, new pilot regs).

The real gem of the police stuff is only 2 types of people pass the polygraphs: chior boys and sociopaths. Sounds like 2 demographics I absolutely do not want to be cops. But hey, reasons.

The last thing we need is more reasons to DQ people.
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Garys said:
As you know MA requires police and fire candidates to meet with psychologist. I knew a few guys who passed that exam that I knew were absolutely nuts. It just convinced me that those exams were useless.
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The one I did was a poorly photocopied Minnesota multi phasic exam. Classic questions like "do you feel like there are holes in your skull?" I don't even know what they mean by that. Like my nose? Mouth? Eyes? Ears? Or my actual skull? Wat?

When I did the in person the doctor asked me what the worst thing I did in my entire life was. When I started to answer his cell phone rang. He answered told them to wait a second and put the phone down and waited for me to answer. Apparently turned into a conference call [rofl]
 
I forgot about the MMPI. Since I have a useless degree in Sociology I know how it was developed and why they ask such silly questions.

Mine was with a guy in his 70s who worked with is wife. I think he was semi retired and this was all he did.

Anyway I didn't take the job because even though the schedule was nice, it would have meant about a 50% cut in pay. Which would have meant that I'd be spending much of my time off working a second job.

Dench said:
The one I did was a poorly photocopied Minnesota multi phasic exam. Classic questions like "do you feel like there are holes in your skull?" I don't even know what they mean by that. Like my nose? Mouth? Eyes? Ears? Or my actual skull? Wat?

When I did the in person the doctor asked me what the worst thing I did in my entire life was. When I started to answer his cell phone rang. He answered told them to wait a second and put the phone down and waited for me to answer. Apparently turned into a conference call [rofl]
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Garys said:
I forgot about the MMPI. Since I have a useless degree in Sociology I know how it was developed and why they ask such silly questions.

Mine was with a guy in his 70s who worked with is wife. I think he was semi retired and this was all he did.

Anyway I didn't take the job because even though the schedule was nice, it would have meant about a 50% cut in pay. Which would have meant that I'd be spending much of my time off working a second job.
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I'm sure there's a reason for those questions... I just suspect the demographic whose made it to the final phase of being on boarded in MA Civil service probably aren't the intended crowd. Is that right?
 
Pretty much. IIRC, they developed the test by giving it to people with known mental illness, like psychosis. Once the know that a psychotic person answers "A" to Question 15, they give it to people who have no known medical history of mental illness.

If that person answers enough questions the same was as the psychotic person, then they can disqualify them.

Again if IIRC, they used a similar test for the state police. They had troopers take a test and then had candidates take that same test to see if their personalities matched what they were looking for.



Dench said:
I'm sure there's a reason for those questions... I just suspect the demographic whose made it to the final phase of being on boarded in MA Civil service probably aren't the intended crowd. Is that right?
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fcanary said:
Had that question asked during a physical. My answer was “next question”. The nurse practitioner replied “I’ll just put down that’s a yes”. I said “no you won’t. Put down that I said next question”. Last visit to that Dr for me!
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My NP has seen my carry, she’s like ‘so how many #s should I subtract from
Your weight?’ I dunno, let’s weigh this shit and the extra mags over here….whatev.

I’m about 4# lighter than my weight on the dr scale, not accounting for clothing, and boots…..they used to ask to take off shoes/boots. They just say step on the scale boots and all lately???? The np:dr doesn’t care
 
I am currently not happy with the medical profession - even less so than the Kung-Flu fiasco. My FiL was in the hospital for a 3-4 day procedure after a week and an half I went to see him. obviously altered; talking about the mafia, walls moving and wild stuff. I spoke to the doctor and he said ‘I’m not worried, I have a good feeling on his baseline’. I showed him a pic from a day before he went in crossbow hunting, after getting up at 6am and then spending almost an hour on the phone with the hospital discussing his many medications (from memory). It took about 6 weeks but they finally killed him. Sure it was ‘complications’ but when things are obviously going south and they ignore it for weeks - the end isn’t shocking - at least to me.

After this, my wife and I both said - yeah we’ll just stick it out at home, we might die here, but we will definitely die in the hospital.
 
[rofl]

We asked, they lied and didn't get help.

So we're not going to ask. It's one stupid question. They'll likely not get any help.

Got it! Doctorlogic.
 
MGnoob said:
“led them to not seek help”

It could also be a factor that you go down there. They don’t do shit to help you. At least if you’re a doctor, you can get another doctor to write you a script.

I avoided going for quite some time, and it got me nowhere going down there.

Just need some more antibiotics and order to see another specialist for my ears and some painkillers for my leg. Because they caused the opioid crisis now I have to suffer.
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Vertex has submitted for approval a new non-opiate drug (VX-548). It supposedly worked well in phase 2 trials on nerve pain. It works via a specific sodium channel on the peripheral nerves rather than the CNS as opiates do. I'm sure there are dozens of highly paid consultants coming up with a name (you know, stuff like Nonalgia and Cumunope) right now. Vertex stock has skyrocketed but I think still has some upside. When this hits the market it will be a multibillion dollar drug.
 

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