Dangerousness hearings

[Rob Boudrie]

Marlborough man, facing several weapons charges, is deemed too dangerous for bail

According to the Assistant District Attorney Leigh Tinmouth, Calabrese’s history with explosives dates to March 2015. He cited a video posted on social media in which Calabrese displayed chemical explosions.
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Tinmouth pointed out that Colin Calabrese, while on Patriots.win and 4Chan under a different name, had posted online more than 80 suspicious and inflammatory comments, some of which she said could be interpreted as threatening to shoot FBI agents and the media. He also allegedly criticized Massachusetts gun laws

A few lessons from this one:

1. Experimentation with explosives will be taken as evidence of evil intent, even if done in a safe and harmless manner.
2. Posting stupid stuff online that implies advocating violence will be taken literally and used against you.
3. Posting under another name does not make you anonymous from the system
4. Criticizing MA gun laws is sufficiently bad that even an allegation you have done so can be used against you

I guess we are all guilty of #4 but the others are just self inflicted injury.

 

[FancyGunz]

Marlborough man, facing several weapons charges, is deemed too dangerous for bail


A few lessons from this one:

1. Experimentation with explosives will be taken as evidence of evil intent, even if done in a safe and harmless manner.
2. Posting stupid stuff online that implies advocating violence will be taken literally and used against you.
3. Posting under another name does not make you anonymous from the system
4. Criticizing MA gun laws is sufficiently bad that even an allegation you have done so can be used against you

I guess we are all guilty of #4 but the others are just self inflicted injury.

#4 on that list is the worst crime of all. Not tolerated under communism!

 

[Rob Boudrie]

#4 on that list is the worst crime of all. Not tolerated under communism!

The fact that the prosecution would even attempt to use such an allegation against a defendant is troubling.

 

[Boris]

had posted online more than 80 suspicious and inflammatory comments

80 comments? Those are rookie numbers.

The real lesson is that if they want to railroad someone dangerous to the system, ain't nothing gonna stop them. Comments, no comments, videos whatever. They will make shit up, plant it, interpret whatever hobbies you got as suspicious. It's a f***ing kangaroo court.

One way to go is to be quiet, post nothing, submit like a sheep and be picked up anyway because you cried too little for the dear leader or some other bullshit.

The other way is to realize that there are too many people in the corner, unhappy with the oppressive system. Make commitment to fight injustice.

 

[crispnipz]

4Chan under a different name

It's amazing that 4chan has been around long enough that it would be old enough to vote, yet journalists still don't understand the concept of it. Amazing.

 

[VetteGirlMA]

So words are more dangerous than actions? Words are more dangerous than guns? Someone who goes onto a site like 4Chan and posts keyboard commando nonsense is a threat to society now? Whatever happened to free speech? Am I witnessing the test of watching the 1st amendment go down the drain along with the 2nd?

 

[PL-52]

Flushed with a whirling eddy!!

 

[GaryO]

80 comments? Those are rookie numbers.

The real lesson is that if they want to railroad someone dangerous to the system, ain't nothing gonna stop them. Comments, no comments, videos whatever. They will make shit up, plant it, interpret whatever hobbies you got as suspicious. It's a f***ing kangaroo court.

One way to go is to be quiet, post nothing, submit like a sheep and be picked up anyway because you cried too little for the dear leader or some other bullshit.

The other way is to realize that there are too many people in the corner, unhappy with the oppressive system. Make commitment to fight injustice.

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Whoaa, if 80 is bad, what about 21,142?

 

[Hoover]

The fact that the prosecution would even attempt to use such an allegation against a defendant is troubling.

Also making an issue of “inflammatory language “? I’d like to see the post of what the threats against media and FBI were, I doubt they were threats and even if a few were, I seriously doubt this guy was anything more than a guy mouthing off online. A threat by some dope with not intent or ability to carry it out isn’t a threat.

Sounds like they’re looking to prosecute this guy, get a plea deal and pat themselves on the back for stopping a “domestic terrorist” rather than the hard work going after real threats and terrorists

If criticism of MA gun laws is an issue, better build more jails.

 

[enbloc]

Experimentation with explosives will be taken as evidence of evil intent, even if done in a safe and harmless manner.

Can a license for explosive experimentation be applied for? Asking for a friend...

 

[Rob Boudrie]

Can a license for explosive experimentation be applied for? Asking for a friend...

Yes, but one of the requirements is an explosive magazine for storage at least 150 away from any occupied building and no direct path for a bullet to enter through a door or window (not sure if windows are allowed) into the explosive cache.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

Also making an issue of “inflammatory language “? I’d like to see the post of what the threats against media and FBI were, I doubt they were threats and even if a few were, I seriously doubt this guy was anything more than a guy mouthing off online. A threat by some dope with not intent or ability to carry it out isn’t a threat.

Sounds like they’re looking to prosecute this guy, get a plea deal and pat themselves on the back for stopping a “domestic terrorist” rather than the hard work going after real threats and terrorists

If criticism of MA gun laws is an issue, better build more jails.

I wonder if the court even looked at those alleged threats or simply accepted the prosecution's word for it?

And as to other random advice:

1. Store reloading power in original containers.
2. Do not store powder in non-factory containers in close proximity to drywall screws

I know of a case where following the above advice would have likely avoided a conviction and prison sentence.

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I can see it now - "This man is incredibly dangerous. He can turn a shovel into an AK. If we let him out on bail, how would we prevent him from visiting Home Depot?"

 

[enbloc]

Sticklers for safety, ain't they...?

 

[Rat187]

I think someone fired a shot over out heads.....

 

[DPR]

Too bad his last name wasn’t Remy

 

[FPrice]

Posting stupid stuff online that implies advocating violence will be taken literally and used against you.

This ranks up there with people who post a comment that their cars had been rifled and small stuff stolen because "I've always left my car(s) unlocked because that NEVER happens round here."

Some people are just incapable of learning from others.

 

[Boris]

in the nut shell, dude got pinched for not paying $200 tax.

The clown world started when .gov passed *wink wink "tax"* because they could not admit that they were infringing on the Constitution. So pretty much every gun law has the same *wink wink* bullshit standing as is enforcing it.


Let me tell you, as a commie escapee how it works, just so the other 50% of NES doesn't shit themselves trying to go back and erase all their negative comments about zombie Joe from furries forums:

This dude was dangerous to the system because he didn't have anything to loose and brains enough to do something. That's the combo they are looking for. You can bullshit all you want, blow off steam and go back to slave waging on Monday morning, so you are OK, chant "let's go Brandon", write nasty posts, it's fine as long as you are not endangering the tyrants.


Also, good thing that dude had a bunch of silencers and other shit, FBI is probably sick and tired planing the same kiddie porn, at least dude goes out in style.

 

[GaryO]

I'm surprised his parents haven't been charged based on his mothers comments. She didn't know he had guns but knew he was shooting up in Maine and NY? Don't worry, he's wicked smaht and should figure a way out of this jam.

 

[Hoover]

I wonder if the court even looked at those alleged threats or simply accepted the prosecution's word for it?

And as to other random advice:

1. Store reloading power in original containers.
2. Do not store powder in non-factory containers in close proximity to drywall screws

I know of a case where following the above advice would have likely avoided a conviction and prison sentence.

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I can see it now - "This man is incredibly dangerous. He can turn a shovel into an AK. If we let him out on bail, how would we prevent him from visiting Home Depot?"

It’s not the judges freedom at stake, the judges seem to heavily side with the prosecution in dangerousness hearings. The judge doesn’t want to be on the news for releasing someone if they do something after they were released.

A few years ago there was a guy who had a gun license, who was on the sidewalk to get into a BU graduation ceremony, he realized he couldn’t carry there and started to leave. He was arrested and the judge held him on a dangerousness hold and he obviously wasn’t a criminal since he had the govt carry permission slip and he didn’t go on the campus, he was on a public sidewalk. But like this case gunzzzz.

I’m sure the judge looked at the ammo, guns, vest, etc and he was cooked.

 

[Hoover]

Too bad his last name wasn’t Remy

The troll looking middlesex DA Ryan releasing the remy twit and him killing his gf was the genesis of the dangerousness holds, righ.

 

[safetyfirst2125]

Screen name?

 

[VetteGirlMA]

Marlborough man, facing several weapons charges, is deemed too dangerous for bail

1. Posting stupid stuff online that implies advocating violence will be taken literally and used against you.

This literally describes twitter and mostly all of social media. The funny thing is all one would have to do to escape imprisonment is state that they belong to antifa and are radical revolutionary communists. That's good for a free pass in MA. So the important takeaway is:

1). If one wants to post things that sound threatening then add rainbow flags to the signature along with preferred pronouns.
2). Never store a can of gas for the lawn mower within 10 feet of drywall screws otherwise bad things will happen, usually explosive.
3). Thanks to our beloved government and deep state there is nothing private. Wait is that a drone I hear over head?
4). Criticizing gun laws is only allowed for police and certain of the 'beautiful' people (Yes I am aware that Healey looks like a female version of Bojack Horseman).

 

[Rob Boudrie]

2). Never store a can of gas for the lawn mower within 10 feet of drywall screws otherwise bad things will happen, usually explosive.

I am aware of a conviction in which this was a key component in determine he was "building bombs", not stocking reloading components and the most common fastener used to attach temporary stage props. This level of "assume the worst" is reserved tor anything gun related.

 

[jkelly1229]

It’s not the judges freedom at stake, the judges seem to heavily side with the prosecution in dangerousness hearings. The judge doesn’t want to be on the news for releasing someone if they do something after they were released.

A few years ago there was a guy who had a gun license, who was on the sidewalk to get into a BU graduation ceremony, he realized he couldn’t carry there and started to leave. He was arrested and the judge held him on a dangerousness hold and he obviously wasn’t a criminal since he had the govt carry permission slip and he didn’t go on the campus, he was on a public sidewalk. But like this case gunzzzz.

I’m sure the judge looked at the ammo, guns, vest, etc and he was cooked.

Wut?

There are literally liberal judges who get boners over letting gangbangers out on personal recogniscance and they turn around and cap someone within a week

 

[Rat187]

Screen name?

@notme

 

[cathouse01]

So the only thing the article says about his actual offenses is:

On Oct. 12, a day before the arrest, the FBI and Marlborough Police Department searched Calabrese’s Highland Street apartment and found four guns, including a sawed-off shotgun, 15 boxes of ammunition and silencers. Calabrese did not have a license to carry or possess an FID card, according to officials.

First thing, it doesn’t say anything about how/why they obtained a search warrant. Second, in the picture I see 6 guns (a handgun and five long guns). Third the “sawed-off shotgun” appears to be a Shockwave with the original 14.375 in barrel, classified as a firearm by both the ATF and MA and only illegal for an FFL to transfer in MA, not for someone to own (with an LTC). Fourth, I don’t see any silencers, but I do see what appears to be a ballistic vest. Fifth, I don’t see any threaded barrels, though the pistol might have one and the PCC 2nd from the right end might also. Don’t know why someone would have silencers without any guns to mount them on. Sixth, I see ten poly ammo cans, not “15 boxes of ammunition”.

I’m really interested in why they pulled a search warrant on this guy. Did someone drop a dime? Were they investigating him for some other crime? Were they investigating him for his social media comments?

I’m also unimpressed with the accuracy of the reporting. Either the photo posted with the article is wrong or the reporting is wrong or the reporter is depending on the police report that is wrong. In any case the reporting doesn’t go with the photo.

 

[crispnipz]

4). Criticizing gun laws is only allowed for police and certain of the 'beautiful' people (Yes I am aware that Healey looks like a female version of Bojack Horseman).

Woah (or should I say neigh), that is insulting to Bojack's appearance.

I’m really interested in why they pulled a search warrant on this guy. Did someone drop a dime? Were they investigating him for some other crime? Were they investigating him for his social media comments?

Feds definitely monitor patriots.win and 4chan. People on both of those places post threats and talk about breaking the law.

 

[MisterHappy]

Paywall, didn't read.

My take away is that you are either innocent, or guilty. And, you're supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. If you're innocent, you should not be in jail/prison/whatever.

Bail is (or was, or should be) intended to be an incentive to show up for trial. It should not be for keeping people that have not been convicted of anything locked up.

If you don't want (unconvicted) criminals walking the streets, have trials that are not 3 years in the future.

Of course, we live in a world where people are imprisoned for 20 years without charge (Gitmo); yelling a racial slur during a fight makes it a "hate crime"; and DAs can decline to press charges, because too may people are in jail for committing crimes.....or can't make bail....or are dangerous.....

 

[headednorth]

Woah (or should I say neigh), that is insulting to Bojack's appearance.


Feds definitely monitor patriots.win and 4chan. People on both of those places post threats and talk about breaking the law.

At this point, 4chan is like 75% Chinese/Israeli/bots/Feds and 24% junior high school kids.

 

[FiremanBob]

So words are more dangerous than actions? Words are more dangerous than guns? Someone who goes onto a site like 4Chan and posts keyboard commando nonsense is a threat to society now? Whatever happened to free speech? Am I witnessing the test of watching the 1st amendment go down the drain along with the 2nd?

Yes.