usp45ct
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Bit belated, but best of luck.
This...and have a great vacation KD.
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Bit belated, but best of luck.
I missed the good luck portion of this episode so I am going to thank you guys for all of the hard work you do on everyone's behalf.[/QUOTW]
I thank them monthly with $$ so they can continue to operate. I suggest that others do the same . . . with automatic monthly donations.
I thank them monthly with $$ so they can continue to operate. I suggest that others do the same . . . with automatic monthly donations.
I missed the good luck portion of this episode so I am going to thank you guys for all of the hard work you do on everyone's behalf.[/QUOTW]
I thank them monthly with $$ so they can continue to operate. I suggest that others do the same . . . with automatic monthly donations.
Well... sometimes it is nice to HEAR the thanks in addition to my regular donations.
Oh, and in case you missed it, we WON another case.
That largely what we're hoping will happen.I'll take a stab at it. "Opt out" is insufficient to protect the gun owners' property rights. VV is a state actor working jointly with the state. The district court judge's ruling is overturned and you are headed back to the district level to argue the case on its merits.
Fortunately, the VV is not taking possession of our plaintiffsIn taking possession of the gun or our plaintiffs
What is this "opt out" of which you speak? In many cases, gun owners do not have the chance to "opt out", or arrange for a MA Licensed dealer of their choosing to take possession.I'll take a stab at it. "Opt out" is insufficient to protect the gun owners' property rights.
I recall the argument being made that the provision in the statute empowering the police to transfer seized weapons to a third party (Village Vault) also allowed the owner of the seized weapons to prevent that transfer by notifying the police department of their intent to have the weapons transferred to an eligible third party.
You'll have something good on Monday regarding THIS case or another one???
It's MA and guns. The courts don't care about the constitution or people's rights. VV is complete bullshit and would be shut down by the courts and the owner sued into debtors prison in a semi-sane state. Instead it's in MA, so carry on!It seems like the courts are taking the view that each individual component of this are perfectly legal on their own without taking into account the big picture that the end result is a citizen deprived of their property.
Possibly.So are we permanently screwed with this VV ruling?
Possibly.
If you have the foresight to have a 129D letter if you safe to surrender with any guns, you might have a shot a suing the PD if they turn your guns over to a thefthouse.
We're still evaluating our options, but this case is probably done.Is there another level of appeal for this or was the Circuit Court our best shot?
We're still evaluating our options, but this case is probably done.
Village Vault....there's a name that needs to go into the history books....permanently.
The prepared gun owner will have such a notice pre-printed, signed and in the safe with the guns to deliver at any time of surrender to a PD.Thinking out loud here: What if Comm2a proactively sent such a notice to each PD stating that, on behalf of its members and other firearm owners, the PD must give notice and a reasonable time to allow arrangements before transferring to a bonded warehouse?