CO: Shooting at Movie Theater in Aurora

I am now self banning all viewing of the news outlets, both online and on TV, OMFG. This is ridiculous. If I hear the deadly "Glock", "Assault Weapon", "100 rounds", blah blah blah anymore from the media, I may implode. The conspiracy theorists are coming out of the walls as well, "U.N. Small Arms Treaty plot", "POTUS martial law trigger", "FBI planted the shooter", etc.. WTF, are the sheople insane? [rhetorical]

If only the anti's, the pros and the media morons would put this level of commitment and fervor towards our country getting its' financial shit in order, it would happen with some level of expediency. It amazes me that this type of tragedy drives this level of idiocy, doesn't surprise me.

In 2 weeks, it will settle down, the battle lines will be redrawn, and the levels of control will be proposed. Nothing can pass our House & Senate anyway, so what is the freakin' point? Unfortunately, our liberal arse state .gov's may very well take action on their own, which will SUCK. Everyone knows the passing of more laws will stop the criminal activity [sarcasm].
 
SKS Brad said:
I am now self banning all viewing of the news outlets, both online and on TV, OMFG. This is ridiculous. If I hear the deadly "Glock", "Assault Weapon", "100 rounds", blah blah blah anymore from the media, I may implode.
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This is why I haven't watched much TV or even looked at newspapers. I had the radio on 96.9 last night for about 10 seconds and I heard all kinds of bullshit flowing out of the speakers, I shouted "Oh go **** yourself, you a**h***s, the ****ing bodies aren't even cold!" and just put music on instead.

-Mike
 
Dude - leave your 4 month old......I KNOW I couldn't live with myself if he got hurt; I'm not sure how this guy lives with himself now.


Gun Free Zone - Check
'Crazy' Guy that even his mother knew it was him - Check

Same old song.


A word on these 'great scholars and learned reporters': They say that, among other things "No one needs a gun like that, the founders had no idea this would happen".........BE VERY CAREFUL.......The same can be said for Radio, TV, Internet "The founders had no idea". With the media outright making things up now - they harm a lot of people and businesses too. The guy falsely I'D, the Bush National Guard fake docs, the GM exploding gas tanks; their are too many to list but the same arguments being made now can be turned on many things.


How do we stop these things - how about some old fashioned MORALS. Murder is a SIN, for starters. Is that full proof, no, I'm proof of that; I am X-military, LTC-A (no-res), even got a permit for a shed no one would find - completely above board. My brother; doing life for double 2nd degree murder plus a year & a day for trying to off his co-conspirator WHILE IN THE CAN. We were brought up together and no significant issues occurred to him or me while growing up - sometimes bad things happen and we may never know why.

I have no way to rationalize the unrational or make sense from the senseless. What I can say is making something more illegal that already is and taking (or attempting to take) RIGHTS from others is not the way to go.

Lastly, so it sticks out:

My thoughts and prayers to the victims, their families, friends and even the shooter and his - for God forgives all (if asked and humble) and we should all aspire to do the same.
 
**** the shooter. **** him with a giant extra-dry dildo. Let the God forgive him after someone arranges the meeting.
 
Just have to let the media and politician attention whores pimp their stank until people get tired of it...

Condolences to family and loved ones of those lost and my thoughts are with the recovering and those that survived. Crazy people are crazy. Everything el they say is trying to sel you something on the backs of the victims of this.
 
GM-GUY said:
Lastly, so it sticks out:

My thoughts and prayers to the victims, their families, friends and even the shooter and his - for God forgives all (if asked and humble) and we should all aspire to do the same.
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You are a better man than I......The only praying than I am doing for the perp is that he faces harsh and swift justice.
 
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What scares me is that the cops that saw the explosives in his apartment said that they have never seen anything like it. If he's just a dropped out PHD student, how could he know the extremely difficult world of explosives? He had to have had help and it would not surprise me to learn that he is linked to some type of terrorist group. We will all find out soon.
 
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At this point, I am pretty ticked off with all of the coverage, especially FOX news. What is the matter with these people? Now they are concerned about "mail order arsenals" and drum magazines and all sorts of other crap that has nothing to do with the problem at hand: We had a psychopath who was willing to do anything to commit mayhem. Period. If it was not the EBR it would have been something else. Given his methods on how he attacked, I am surprised there were not a lot more casualties.

And for the Century movie theaters: I hope you all have deep pockets. Since they are a "Gun Free Zone", where was the security???
Furthermore, what has been bugging me:

1) When an exit door is engaged, why was the fire alarm not triggered? Why did the movie not stop and the lights come on? This is ALL digitally controlled these days in the theater and I am stunned this did not happen. I mean, is this not 101 policies for Emergency Exits? I know at my work or any department store, it clearly states opening the door will trigger the fire alarm.

2) Where was the security? I mean, it is a midnight showing and you had someone in the parking lot, right outside the Emergency Exit, arming up in plain view. Come on.

3) Reports were that the person kicked the Emergency door in: How can that be given the pictures I saw of the door frame and of the door with no visible damage. Either he rigged the door when he left to get suited up or someone inside (now apparently a possibility) let him in. And then I still say, WTF to my point 1) above!

Of course my heart goes out to the victims, but I really think this establishment has some explaining to do.
I just hope other venues take a long look at what "Gun Free Zones" has done to our society and the ease for soft targets to be exploited.
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ColdDayInHell said:
What scares me is that the cops that saw the explosives in his apartment said that they have never seen anything like it. If he's just a dropped out PHD student, how could he know the extremely difficult world of explosives? He had to have had help and it would not surprise me to learn that he is linked to some type of terrorist group. We will all find out soon.
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The media has been less than forthcoming when things go against their world view and more interested in blaming the tea party for everything.

There is no guarantee that what they saw would actually function as it appeared, but also remember that he likely wasn't an idiot and may have had access to radical and similarly not dumb people at the university. So, the again, there is no requirement that it be any particular "group" other than just progressives and socialists in the university system.

That is what makes the fear mongering so absurd... The tools and information to hurt people are always all around us. It is only civilization and community that ever stops it...
 
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GM-GUY said:
Dude - leave your 4 month old......I KNOW I couldn't live with myself if he got hurt; I'm not sure how this guy lives with himself now.
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Who knows. Maybe he won't. I do know people react differently in situations like this. Nobody knows how they'll act until it happens to them. The instinct of self-preservation is strong and hard to push aside. I've seen people I thought were pretty hard core react poorly in extreme situations.

I will say this: Some people have it, some people don't. The one thing that can change your instinctual reaction is training. Train, train, train, train, train. Train so hard that when the first shot, or visual tip, occurs your next twitch is reactionary and automatic. If I could pick ten people from this board and put them in a similar situation, when that first shot sounded some of them would have their carry out and acquiring a target. Some would be on the floor. Some would be doing the chicken dance, not knowing what to do. Some wouldn't even be aware it was a real threat.
 
ColdDayInHell said:
What scares me is that the cops that saw the explosives in his apartment said that they have never seen anything like it. If he's just a dropped out PHD student, how could he know the extremely difficult world of explosives? He had to have had help and it would not surprise me to learn that he is linked to some type of terrorist group. We will all find out soon.
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The cops are either idiots, playing it up for the media, or the media is taking what the cops say out of context. Don't believe anything they tell you.

In logical speak, it sounds like the most intricate thing was reloadable fireworks aimed at gasoline canisters and fuses for such were connected to tripwires. The rest is basic chemistry you would learn as an undergrad or by torrenting the anarchists cookbook. I'm pretty sure Tim McVeigh used the old diesel and fertilizer combo that hillbillies have used for stump removal for years.

In_God_We_Trust said:
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At this point, I am pretty ticked off with all of the coverage, especially FOX news. What is the matter with these people? Now they are concerned about "mail order arsenals" and drum magazines and all sorts of other crap that has nothing to do with the problem at hand: We had a psychopath who was willing to do anything to commit mayhem. Period. If it was not the EBR it would have been something else. Given his methods on how he attacked, I am surprised there were not a lot more casualties.

And for the Century movie theaters: I hope you all have deep pockets. Since they are a "Gun Free Zone", where was the security???
Furthermore, what has been bugging me:

1) When an exit door is engaged, why was the fire alarm not triggered? Why did the movie not stop and the lights come on? This is ALL digitally controlled these days in the theater and I am stunned this did not happen. I mean, is this not 101 policies for Emergency Exits? I know at my work or any department store, it clearly states opening the door will trigger the fire alarm.

2) Where was the security? I mean, it is a midnight showing and you had someone in the parking lot, right outside the Emergency Exit, arming up in plain view. Come on.

3) Reports were that the person kicked the Emergency door in: How can that be given the pictures I saw of the door frame and of the door with no visible damage. Either he rigged the door when he left to get suited up or someone inside (now apparently a possibility) let him in. And then I still say, WTF to my point 1) above!

Of course my heart goes out to the victims, but I really think this establishment has some explaining to do.
I just hope other venues take a long look at what "Gun Free Zones" has done to our society and the ease for soft targets to be exploited.
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1) have you ever been to a damn theatre? It was the exit doors everyone leaves through. Not alarmed. For all we know he hung out and stuck a brick between the door and the jam after the crowd from the last movie left.

2) It's a movie theatre not a bank. They probably have a CCTV system and a rent-a-cop to evict snack sneakers. The sole purpose of the CCTV is probably for cops to review if someone gets raped in the parking lot, walmart style.

3) see #1

4) quit overthinking shit and assuming what you hear from the media is true, unspun, and not exaggerated.
 
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I was listening to WZLX this morning and the dj commented that he thought, even though not politically correct, that if someone in that theater had been carrying the shooter could have been stopped. He thought it made a good case for concealed carry.
 
I heard on Sirius today an interview with the owner of the company that sold him the black "body armor" he said it was not body armor just black tactical clothing and vest.
 
swampy said:
I was listening to WZLX this morning and the dj commented that he thought, even though not politically correct, that if someone in that theater had been carrying the shooter could have been stopped. He thought it made a good case for concealed carry.
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No matter how much of a badass you are, it is a tough situation. No on should fool themselves. Frankly, this is true for most self defense scenarios. The gun is a tool, not a panacea.

The real case here for CCW here is not some romantic notion of "CCW'er saves the day," but the bigger picture that these lunatics look for a soft target and they start with gun free zones for obvious reasons.

As others have said, perhaps more importantly, this event has no bearing on my rights and those looking to use this to leverage their agenda should be ashamed of themselves for providing a sympathetic ear to this lunatic's cry for infamy.

They are giving him an audience just as he predicted. They are the demand to his supply of crazy and they the supply of fame for his sad demand for attention.
 
Hiltonizer said:
1) have you ever been to a damn theatre? It was the exit doors everyone leaves through. Not alarmed. For all we know he hung out and stuck a brick between the door and the jam after the crowd from the last movie left.

2) It's a movie theatre not a bank. They probably have a CCTV system and a rent-a-cop to evict snack sneakers. The sole purpose of the CCTV is probably for cops to review if someone gets raped in the parking lot, walmart style.

3) see #1

4) quit overthinking shit and assuming what you hear from the media is true, unspun, and not exaggerated.
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Yes I have. But IMO, an Emergency Exit is just that and should be treated that way. To me, providing some common sense here would have at least thrown up some sort of warning prior to the event, i.e. throwing a brick in the jam.

I am simply pissed that, here we go, yet another "Gun Free Zone" massacre and just some common sense ideas could have made this a bit more difficult. Just saying...
 
In_God_We_Trust said:
Yes I have. But IMO, an Emergency Exit is just that and should be treated that way. To me, providing some common sense here would have at least thrown up some sort of warning prior to the event, i.e. throwing a brick in the jam.

I am simply pissed that, here we go, yet another "Gun Free Zone" massacre and just some common sense ideas could have made this a bit more difficult. Just saying...
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It's classified as an emergency exit by regulation only most likely, to everyone else its just the door you use you exit to the parking lot after a movie vs walking through the lobby. It'd be retarded to have an alarm set up for it, people leave part way through movies all the time etc.

And from the sounds of it this wasn't an legally binding gun free zone, just a corporate policy. Concealed means concealed yadayadayada. Stop getting your knickers in a twist... anything more that could have been done to prevent this would have just been considered unnecessary and wasteful before it happened. Shit happens, you're still more likely to get killed by lightning or in a car accident than by a rogue gunman... yet we don't put lightning rods up every few hundred yards and make our cars out of Styrofoam because it would be impractical.

Hopefully next time, we're lucky enough that a CCW holder gets the upper hand. Though in that case, it probably wouldn't be national news and we'd never hear the good news.
 
soloman02 said:
What did you expect? They are part of ABC, IE the liberal mainstream media.
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Sad, but true... I was optimistic for awhile after moving here and in the first few months all the crime reports were good news in that a citizen took care of it or the cops made it look easy, rather than the Mass equivalent and a suspect being on the loose and the cops had their heads up their ass.

What I can say however, is the viewer comments sections are typically much less painful [smile]
 
Just remembered where I knew the name Aurora from.. some terrible song that was unavoidable back in the highschool days... enjoy.

 
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I'm very surprised at the attitude of some here that a single or even multiple CCW in the theater would have done no good.

Here's a lunatic that stopped by a Bass Pro picked up an AR with a few 30 round mags, then picked a few other guns at other stores, ordered all kinds of mall ninja garb on line, booby traps his apartment, then goes on a killing rampage. There's no evidence he ever even once fired any of those firearms? No evidence he ever went to a range or ever even tried on all that ninja crap. No evidence of one minute of training of any kind but he pulled off what he did no problem.

Now the rub. In order to combat a guy like this, according to many here, you need weekly training with your CCW consisting of several thousand rounds fired under all kinds of lighting and return fire conditions, several years or military service, several active engagements that mimic exactly what happened,(the comments like"you weren't there you know nothing" are endless).

How come a madman can pull something like this off with out ever firing a shot but in order to retaliate against a guy like this you need years of training? I CCW to protect myself and my family and yes even others. I WOULD try to do something if given a chance. I know this because every time I've had a chance to help others I did. This includes helping out at accident sites, I had a man drop dead in front of me and I gave him CPR when others just sat and watched. Yes, these are not the same as receiving hostel fire but I helped in many situations when others didn't.

I hope upon hope that if ever in a situation like this I would do something! If I carried the attitude that I should run to the door like everyone else then why CCW in the first place? Having the attitude of acting rather than running is not being a keyboard commando, rather the correct attitude of CCW'ing in the first place.
 
I don't know if you have any military training, but if you went thru the gas hut they sent me thru that stuff is bad. As soon as it hits you, and when it does it's bam in your face, your eyes are so filled up with tears you can't see, start chocking uncontrollably. Your instinct makes you run for the door as fast as possible usually puking on the way out the door. The national guard units had to go thru this hut all thru basic. The reason being they would more than likely be involved in riot situations and have to deal with tear gas. i thought i heard there were 4 cops at this theatre that night. They were radioing in for gas masks cause they could not get in and control.
 
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radioman said:
I'm very surprised at the attitude of some here that a single or even multiple CCW in the theater would have done no good.

Here's a lunatic that stopped by a Bass Pro picked up an AR with a few 30 round mags, then picked a few other guns at other stores, ordered all kinds of mall ninja garb on line, booby traps his apartment, then goes on a killing rampage. There's no evidence he ever even once fired any of those firearms? No evidence he ever went to a range or ever even tried on all that ninja crap. No evidence of one minute of training of any kind but he pulled off what he did no problem.

Now the rub. In order to combat a guy like this, according to many here, you need weekly training with your CCW consisting of several thousand rounds fired under all kinds of lighting and return fire conditions, several years or military service, several active engagements that mimic exactly what happened,(the comments like"you weren't there you know nothing" are endless).

How come a madman can pull something like this off with out ever firing a shot but in order to retaliate against a guy like this you need years of training? I CCW to protect myself and my family and yes even others. I WOULD try to do something if given a chance. I know this because every time I've had a chance to help others I did. This includes helping out at accident sites, I had a man drop dead in front of me and I gave him CPR when others just sat and watched. Yes, these are not the same as receiving hostel fire but I helped in many situations when others didn't.

I hope upon hope that if ever in a situation like this I would do something! If I carried the attitude that I should run to the door like everyone else then why CCW in the first place? Having the attitude of acting rather than running is not being a keyboard commando, rather the correct attitude of CCW'ing in the first place.
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A person who does not train and practice with a firearm and CCW's has a fool for an instructor,

Administering first aid that you did, is a noble and commendable thing, but is not the same as being under attack by gunfire and chemicals. It is a nightmare: compromised functionality due to stress and chemical agent, extremely low light conditions, and people in a state of panic all around.


Your intentions may be good but frankly you don't what you are talking/writing about in this instance.
 
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