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CO: Shooting at Movie Theater in Aurora
- Thread starter MA_Shooter
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Boat wouldn't be big enough for all those weaps that might get lost.
Yes, it would be chaotic but as long as a person could see even if it is only shadowy forms you would be able to identify the shooter because they would be the one walking methodically and stopping along their way to shoot while the innocent would be running and or taking cover. A ccw would not be walking along the aisles shooting. Also a ccw does not carry long guns, wear body armor or a gas mask so if any of this was visible it would make it easy to identify the shooter.
Would a ccw have stopped this? We won't know but could they have made a difference. Very possible. Certainly much better than the unarmed.
Ain't gonna happen. No new licenses, no new regulations.
The usual retards like Bloomberg, Schumer, Lautenburg and McCarthy will wail and rend their garments over this shooting but anything they propose won't get enough votes to pass.
They lost. We won. Heller, McDonald, et al.
After the Batman movie tragedy I sold off all my yucky guns. I didn't want them around anymore, someone could get hurt.
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If anyone is keeping track of the continuing search at his apartment, it appears that he has been planning this for a while. At least according to the "sophistication" of the booby-traps he had set up.
Something just seems very fishy about this.
Something just seems very fishy about this.
He had some serious money invested in gear. He was unemployed. Couldn't find a job. Was on unemployment because he lost his part-time job at McDonalds. Yet he could purchase full body armor, an AR-15, an 870, 3 Glock 40's, 6000 rounds of ammo and two OC grenades. That alone doesn't add up. Now we have to add that he had the time and motivation to bobby trap his 800 sq. ft. apartment. All within the last 4 months! None of that adds up.
How does an unemployed college student get that kind of money? There doesn't seem to be any evidence that he was interested in weaponry prior to that night. This whole thing smells bad.
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Just watched the latest press conference. What a sickening display of uniforms and suits patting each other on the back and ass grabbing each, constantly repeating a job well done. Disgusting.
Then the police chief stating he cant mention anything about motive but then goes on to say the suspect was definitely planning on killing police officers with his rigged apaetment.....even tho the suspect immediately gave up the apartment and no one was actually killed...even tho he had just killed 12 people up close and personal, he gives up his rigged apartment?
This shit is smelling fishy.
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Then the police chief stating he cant mention anything about motive but then goes on to say the suspect was definitely planning on killing police officers with his rigged apaetment.....even tho the suspect immediately gave up the apartment and no one was actually killed...even tho he had just killed 12 people up close and personal, he gives up his rigged apartment?
This shit is smelling fishy.
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Rigs his apt to supposedly do maximun carnage and then in a heartbeat gives it up like that? Sounds like bullshit to me.
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How do you or DickWanner (see post #213) know that there was 1 shooter??? How do any of you know what he/she/they looked like, dressed, located within theater, acted, etc.,??? Why you assume there was 1 guy and not 10 or more like in Nordost Theatre in Moscow in 2002??? (www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NXks0YGLiw&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL2E3855D370FDA827). Why do you assume the guy who is dressed in what might seem like SWAT uniform carrying a rifle is a BG (a guy who you might not even been able to see due to all of the running/standing people between you and him), and not the guy 3-5 rows from you who is dressed like a civilian and pointing/shooting a gun into, what might seem from your angle, crowd??? How do you know how much time you would have had? May be you were his # 1, 2 or 3 victim? Could you get your oil soaked hand out of the greasy popcorn and then draw and fire in time? Are your fingertips frozen because of holding cold drink? Is your shooting arm free or is your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend were holding hends with you during the movie and now she/he clinched it in terror?
I can go like this for pages, but I hope you get the idea. No one here, myself included, is saying that given the opportunity to defend yourself or others, you shouldn’t have tried. Furthermore, no one is saying that having a gun with you at all times, potentially, substantially increases your ability to defend yourself and others. I have no idea why some here are even trying to argue those straw-man points. I find such attempts ludicrous and laughable. This is NES, not MSNBC. However, this would had been a very, very, very tough hand to play even for combat harden and well trained military/police guys, never mind average CCW. From what I see and know far too many go to the range once or even less per year and when there they slowly shoot 2 mags trying to hit bullseye 25-50’ away and then rapid fire few more mags somewhere into the berm prior to getting a feeling of self satisfaction and accomplishment and going home. How many do you thing practice Mozambique or similar on regular basis? Days later and we still do not know what kind of armor he had and if it included plates. Do you think anyone in that theater knew? How many do you thing, given the opportunity, attempted a headshot? Never mind actually managing to hit that scumbag on the head.
What I do notice at the range and is clearly being flushed out in this discussion, too many gun owners, including or maybe even especially those who train a lot, rely way too heavily on their sidearm. They totally fail to train with a knife or freehand. Unfortunately for some of them, it might prove to be deadly. In many cases going for the gun could be a wrong instinct. I see this and similar tragedy as a learning opportunity. I hope others will do the same.
Seems the "stink" factor keeps going up, doesn't it?
I could see more states put the kibosh on online ammo sales though. The media reports have been stressing "ONLINE AMMO SOLD TO SHOOTER" every chance they get.
It is extremly rare for the police to be on scene at the time of the shooting also a swat member would not be firing randomly into the crowd. There are a lot of what ifs and nothing is guaranteed but through observation most things can be ascertained. As I said earlier if you observe someone is randomly shooting into the crowd it is very unlikely to be a ccw or innocent person.How do you or DickWanner (see post #213) know that there was 1 shooter??? How do any of you know what he/she/they looked like, dressed, located within theater, acted, etc.,??? Why you assume there was 1 guy and not 10 or more like in Nordost Theatre in Moscow in 2002??? (www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NXks0YGLiw&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL2E3855D370FDA827). Why do you assume the guy who is dressed in what might seem like SWAT uniform carrying a rifle is a BG (a guy who you might not even been able to see due to all of the running/standing people between you and him), and not the guy 3-5 rows from you who is dressed like a civilian and pointing/shooting a gun into, what might seem from your angle, crowd??? How do you know how much time you would have had? May be you were his # 1, 2 or 3 victim? Could you get your oil soaked hand out of the greasy popcorn and then draw and fire in time? Are your fingertips frozen because of holding cold drink? Is your shooting arm free or is your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend were holding hends with you during the movie and now she/he clinched it in terror?
I can go like this for pages, but I hope you get the idea. No one here, myself included, is saying that given the opportunity to defend yourself or others, you shouldn’t have tried. Furthermore, no one is saying that having a gun with you at all times, potentially, substantially increases your ability to defend yourself and others. I have no idea why some here are even trying to argue those straw-man points. I find such attempts ludicrous and laughable. This is NES, not MSNBC. However, this would had been a very, very, very tough hand to play even for combat harden and well trained military/police guys, never mind average CCW. From what I see and know far too many go to the range once or even less per year and when there they slowly shoot 2 mags trying to hit bullseye 25-50’ away and then rapid fire few more mags somewhere into the berm prior to getting a feeling of self satisfaction and accomplishment and going home. How many do you thing practice Mozambique or similar on regular basis? Days later and we still do not know what kind of armor he had and if it included plates. Do you think anyone in that theater knew? How many do you thing, given the opportunity, attempted a headshot? Never mind actually managing to hit that scumbag on the head.
What I do notice at the range and is clearly being flushed out in this discussion, too many gun owners, including or maybe even especially those who train a lot, rely way too heavily on their sidearm. They totally fail to train with a knife or freehand. Unfortunately for some of them, it might prove to be deadly. In many cases going for the gun could be a wrong instinct. I see this and similar tragedy as a learning opportunity. I hope others will do the same.
You are correct that people should train with other weapons and their hands. This way they are better prepared.
Yeah, how the heck can an unemployed, PhD student, who recently lost his job at McDonald's, afford all this armor? I wish I could afford it and I have a decent paying job! Either he was planning this for quite awhile or was helped.
Something's been bothering me about this situation since I first heard of it, and a brief web search is only escalates my uneasiness. I can not think of, and could not find when searching, even one other case where a mass murderer willfully gives him/herself up at the first opportunity. Somebody who reaches the point that they have absolutely nothing left and want to kill as many people as they can, plans this elaborate scheme to do so, boobytraps his apartment with what's been described as very sophisticated explosives, buys weapons and armors and puts their plan to action, only to surrender a few minutes later and confess his secondary plans (the explosives).
The more I think about it, the less it makes sense. Has this been bothering anyone else?
The more I think about it, the less it makes sense. Has this been bothering anyone else?
Unless he knows he's giving up to friendly forces. Yes, it doesn't make sense and I also looked to see if any other mass murderer has done something similar, as far back as I could remember and find info on, all have been shot or committed suicide by self or cop. Mcveigh and Nichols were the last I can remember, but they were of a different method and mindset. Anyone that used firearms in mass attacks didn't stick around long enough to be arrested. Luby's , V.T., but the guy in Texas at Ft Hood they got, only because he wants the US government to kill him. Loughner was arrested, but didn't give himself up in AZ. Here's a list of rampage killers. There were a few some time back that were arrested, but this guy Holmes had the 2 arresting officers out armored, outgunned and could have easily engaged them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers:_Americas
fencer
NES Member
The guy that shot up Edgewater Technologies- McDermott, basically just sat down in a chair in the reception area after he had just killed 7 people, and waited for the cops to come. It's certainly happened before.
The explosives/boobytrap thing is a bit weird, though. Then again, crazy people do weird shit.
-Mike
Actually it makes perfect sense in the mind of a crazy person trying to insure maximum time in the theater before the police show up. He cranks up the silly music and leaves his door unlocked and booby trapped. I suspect that he was hoping that a neighbor or a cop would open that door, set off a massive explosion and cause all rescue and law enforcement resources to rush there before he started shooting. That would cause the response to the shooting to be greatly inhibited. Especially if they had victims and explosives to deal with at the apartment complex.
If I wasn't killed in the first volley of fire I would of ran if I could carrying or not...and I carry everywhere.
I go to the movies 3 times a month atleast mostly with my son and a buddy an he himself carries
Anyone that spends any time at a theater knows your vision sucks if you look away from the screen, taking a piss can be a task pending on where you are sitting... getting up if you are stuck in the middle is a pain....add a packed house with a premier blockbuster an AR,Gas/Smoke,100 or so screaming panicked movie goers and a guy in a gasmask and armor ...all I can say good luck with that cya outside maybe.
I go to the movies 3 times a month atleast mostly with my son and a buddy an he himself carries
Anyone that spends any time at a theater knows your vision sucks if you look away from the screen, taking a piss can be a task pending on where you are sitting... getting up if you are stuck in the middle is a pain....add a packed house with a premier blockbuster an AR,Gas/Smoke,100 or so screaming panicked movie goers and a guy in a gasmask and armor ...all I can say good luck with that cya outside maybe.
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Also I have been listening to CNN on Sirius all day while working outside just to hear how they reported on this. They have been rolling in the blood of the victims to beat the drums of gun control all day non stop. The scare words are 6000 rounds of ammo, an arsenal of guns(4), and ZOMG he bought them all within 90 days.
So it's clear what's going to be called for to further infringe on the 2A. Ammo restrictions, one gun a month, the number of guns you are allowed to own. I'm sure of it. Also they are letting people from the Brady campaign lie with complete impunity.
So it's clear what's going to be called for to further infringe on the 2A. Ammo restrictions, one gun a month, the number of guns you are allowed to own. I'm sure of it. Also they are letting people from the Brady campaign lie with complete impunity.
And from all reports he was dressed in black from head to foot. I haven't heard a witness yet say they got a good look at him in the theater. One guy interviewed said the only way he could tell where the guy was was to watch for muzzle flashes. That's not a very good target at all.
I seriously think you're blowing it out of proportion. Limiting the amount of firearms you can own would not even make sense. One could easily own one AR-15, a high end one, and get 30 magazines for it+ammo.
It is way too soon to tell. He might be making political statements at his trial, which was his primary goal. Also according to the reports he was trying to flee the scene. Given the reported ammo storage, it is probable he had plans to do this again. Armor might have been a safety measure in case of a potential CCW or single off/on duty cop seating in the theater rather than a plan to shoot it out with PD/SWAT. Then again, it is possible, though not likely given his background, he is just nuts. Crazy people do illogical things.
I’ll way to roll around in tinfoil until he commits suicide or some father murders him pretrial. If this was staged, I see very little upside to letting him walk out of the theater. Yes, he could be given mind melting drugs before the trial/investigation. But why bother. If he was killed at the theater, most would automatically assume he was nuts.
I’ll way to roll around in tinfoil until he commits suicide or some father murders him pretrial. If this was staged, I see very little upside to letting him walk out of the theater. Yes, he could be given mind melting drugs before the trial/investigation. But why bother. If he was killed at the theater, most would automatically assume he was nuts.
BIG1PUN
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This Guy Left His 4-Month Old Baby & Girlfriend On The Group While He Ran Out The Theater Solo: Talks About His Escape From Dark Knight Shooting!
http://m.worldstarhiphop.com/video.php?v=wshh2X08LqH0z4P98nt3
http://m.worldstarhiphop.com/video.php?v=wshh2X08LqH0z4P98nt3
It's killing me to keep hearing people and seeing stupid meme stuff on facebook going all "If I were there it wouldn't have gone down like that" (a la Mark Wahlburg.) Incoming fire has this strange, almost magical way to make you unable to return accurate fire for some strange reason. Add that to the fact any hits on the shooter would have likely been ineffective against the armor.
Please don't be one of those guys.
One of the guys who died, did so while shielding his girlfriend from fire. Or at least that's what CNN said the last time I was watching.
Please don't be one of those guys.
One of the guys who died, did so while shielding his girlfriend from fire. Or at least that's what CNN said the last time I was watching.
Hiltonizer
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People suck in general... and they want to have something to talk about since it's still generally perceived as too soon to make jokes about the movie being 4d.
josei, your link sucks, I had to google it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFZ7C5-h_m4
But really guy, leaving your 4 month old? And you're crying in front of the cameras? What a ****ing pussy POS.
But really guy, leaving your 4 month old? And you're crying in front of the cameras? What a ****ing pussy POS.
