CNN: Loophole allows for easier purchase of high-powered weapons

[Squished]

Shocked this story didn't make it on here:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/05/25/exploring.gun.loophole/

Also hoping for a change is the National Firearms Act Trade and Collectors Association. In its filing with the firearms agency asking for a rule change, it cites the rise in interest and the lack of background checks as problematic.

The association's members want increased federal scrutiny, but they also want to completely do away with local control. They say the chief local law enforcement officers apply their authority in an arbitrary manner. Further, they claim, the popularity of gun trusts is directly related to the unwillingness of some local law enforcement officers to approve these purchases.

 

[Boris]

"Just because someone liked the idea of having one, that didn't make sense to me," Morgan said. He denied all but one such purchase.
Besides, Morgan says, the law enforcement community expressed uneasiness over possibly confronting people who are armed with such weapons.

Of course, "confronting sheep" is the best case scenario. May be Constitution should give this guy better "sense".

 

[ARV]

Ferguson says he keeps a collection in part for personal safety. This year alone, he says, several people have tried to break into his home. But he blanches at his friend's suggestion, made in jest, that he would actually fire at the intruders. His pump shotgun functions as a visual deterrent, he says.

[mumbles to self] ..."racking shotgun"...[/mumbles to self]

 

[drgrant]

It's not a loophole, its PART OF THE LAW.

Gotta love these gems....

J. Tom Morgan served as district attorney in DeKalb County, Georgia, for 12 years. For Morgan, the incredible firepower of some of the weapons in this class means a person must have a good reason for wanting one in his urban county.

"Just because someone liked the idea of having one, that didn't make sense to me," Morgan said. He denied all but one such purchase.

Why aren't guys like this POS thrown in prison for basically promoting civil rights violations?

Besides, Morgan says, the law enforcement community expressed uneasiness over possibly confronting people who are armed with such weapons.

Well, I would tell those in the "community" to hand in their badge if they're afraid of the 2nd amendment. Everyone else will be better off. There are plenty of LEOs that aren't afraid of inanimate objects.

-Mike

 

[glide]

Example A.) "But one former chief local law enforcement officer says he's only using the authority granted by the law."

Example B.) "Still, through a federal loophole, he got the silencer."

So the cop is using the authority granted to him by the law but the civilian is exploiting a loophole. Got it.

 

[TheFaz]

Actually the former prosecutor doesn't understand the law. The LEO signoff doesn't imply permission being granted, if it was you couldn't use the trust option. It simply means that the LEO of that area knows you are purchasing it. It's a holdover from the days when criminal records weren't digitized and available nationally. The NICS check has made it obsolete but it remains on the form.

The NFATCA is trying to eliminate the signoff and fingerprints from the form, however the tradeoff may be the elimination of the trust as an option for future transfers. What that would do for transfers of NFA items currently under trusts is the big question. Since most people went the trust route not for estate purposes but to eliminate having to get the LEO signature and prints, the tradeoff will probably be worth it.

 

[GraftonNH]

It simply means that the LEO of that area knows you are purchasing it. It's a holdover from the days when criminal records weren't digitized and available nationally. The NICS check has made it obsolete but it remains on the form.

Hopefully, the public will recognize "loophole" is just the scary word to get readers and that ultimately NFA items are still the most highly regulated guns there are - trust or not. Unfortunately, it comes across as "oh noez, the wrong people are using trusts to get 'such weapons.'"

This just tells me if you're thinking of doing a trust, now might be a good time. The general public has caught wind of the "loophole" and who knows what the result will be.

 

[one-eyed Jack]

People who legally own NFA items don't commit violent crimes with them. That is never mentioned by the press. Jack.

 

[Twigg]

Example A.) "But one former chief local law enforcement officer says he's only using the authority granted by the law."
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So the cop is using the authority granted to him by the law but the civilian is exploiting a loophole. Got it.

Actually the CLEO is abusing the authority granted by law.

Just another petty tyrant with his very own fiefdom to rule.

 

[Squished]

People who legally own NFA items don't commit violent crimes with them. That is never mentioned by the press. Jack.

And never will be. I wonder how many crimes are on record that were committed with legally owned NFA items.

 

[Finalygotabeltfed]

If you don't ask permission, you can't be refused.

 

[Finalygotabeltfed]

And never will be. I wonder how many crimes are on record that were committed with legally owned NFA items.

About 2 or 3 as far as I know.....and thats since 1934/35 to present.

 

[dwarven1]

And never will be. I wonder how many crimes are on record that were committed with legally owned NFA items.

I believe the answer is ONE.

I cannot provide a cite, though.

 

[Squished]

Amazing. The crimes in almost 80 years can be counted on one hand, whether it be 1 or 3. Yet they want to regulate it more.

 

[Len-2A Training]

I believe the answer is ONE.

I cannot provide a cite, though.

I know that the first such incident was a LEO. Think it may have been DV related, but no longer remember details.

 

[one-eyed Jack]

I know that the first such incident was a LEO. Think it may have been DV related, but no longer remember details.

I remember that. Jack.

 

[TheFaz]

The first was by a LEO who used his legally-owned MAC-10 to execute a drug dealer/informer who was a witness to his crooked behavior. There have been one or two since, can't remember the details though.