CMP 1911's

Looks like Obama vetoed the revised bill as well... No CMP 1911's for now.

11/06/15 An update on the 1911’s…The National Defense Appropriations Act has been vetoed. We have no further information at this time.
Thank you,
Mark Johnson
Chief Operating Officer

https://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/

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Looks like Obama vetoed the revised bill as well... No CMP 1911's for now.

11/06/15 An update on the 1911’s…The National Defense Appropriations Act has been vetoed. We have no further information at this time.
Thank you,
Mark Johnson
Chief Operating Officer

https://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/


That is the original bill. The revised bill has not been passed by the senate yet so odummy doesn't have it yet. None of the reps replied to my tweets about the 1911's.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-acti...k-defense-policy-veterans-spending-top-agenda


With the House out for a week-long Veterans Day break, all eyes will be on the Senate as it takes a second stab at an annual defense policy bill.Senators are expected to vote on a revised National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) on Tuesday after the legislation sailed through the House last week by a 370-58 margin.





President Obama vetoed the original $612 billion NDAA largely because of an extra $38 billion in war funding. Lawmakers, however, scrapped plans to try to override the veto after passing a two-year budget that increased defense and nondefense spending.
 
Pu$$ies won't pass that...guns = evil. Didn't you get the memo

It's something the White house doesn't want, CMP 1911's, but it's only a small part of the massive defense bill. Obama did not want to allow conceal carry in national parks but it was tagged on a much larger bill and he didn't want to veto the bill over that small issue.



Mea Culpa
Sorry, I jumped the gun so to speak. I'm glad the revised bill is still in play.

I'm still not sure it's in the new bill though. I would imagine they kept everything the same and just made a few changes here and there but I don't know. If it is in there, it received a veto proof margin passing the house I believe. So it would most likely be overridden but I think it won't get to that and odummy signs it.
 
It took some doing but I finally found the ****ing bill that the House hijacked for the new defense bill. I ****ing detest that no media outlet (even the ****ing thehill.com) lists the bill number when they report a bill passed a chamber (especially when it passes the second chamber).

Here is the bill:

Originally titled: S. 1356: A bill to clarify that certain provisions of the Border Patrol Agent Pay Reform Act of 2014

Now titled: S. 1356: National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2016

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/114-2015/h618

However govtrack does not have the text that passed the house available. The senate did not modify what the house passed. I will keep looking for the text that passed the house on November 5th. if someone else finds it please post a link.
 
Found it. However I am not certain if this is the final text.

https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/2015/11/05/house-section/article/H7747-5

This is the only text in the bill that refers to the CMP:

The House bill contained a provision (sec. 1085) that would
authorize the transfer of surplus firearms to the Civilian
Marksmanship Program (CMP).
The Senate amendment contained no similar provision.
The Senate recedes with a clarifying amendment that
establishes a pilot program limited to .45 caliber handguns
and restricts the amount of handguns that can be transferred
to the CMP to no more than 10,000 units annually.
Additionally, it requires the CMP to provide a report to
Congress after the conclusion of the pilot program, obtain a
federal firearm license to conduct any and all handgun sales,
and adhere to all local, state, and federal laws in respect
to handgun sales.
 
Found it. However I am not certain if this is the final text.

https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/2015/11/05/house-section/article/H7747-5

This is the only text in the bill that refers to the CMP:


I found this too. https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/2015/11/5/house-section/article/h7747-5?resultIndex=3

SEC. 1087. TRANSFER OF SURPLUS FIREARMS TO CORPORATION FOR THE PROMOTION OF RIFLE PRACTICE AND FIREARMS
SAFETY.

(a) Authorization of Transfer of Surplus Firearms to
Corporation for the Promotion of Rifle Practice and Firearms
Safety.--
(1) In general.--Section 40728 of title 36, United States
Code, is amended by adding at the end the following new
subsection:
``(h) Authorized Transfers.--(1) Subject to paragraph (2),
the Secretary may transfer to the corporation, in accordance
with the procedure prescribed in this subchapter, surplus
caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 pistols and spare parts and related
accessories for those pistols that, on the date of the
enactment of this subsection, are under the control of the
Secretary and are surplus to the requirements of the
Department of the Army, and

[[Page H7833]]

such material as may be recovered by the Secretary pursuant
to section 40728A(a) of this title. The Secretary shall
determine a reasonable schedule for the transfer of such
surplus pistols.
``(2) The Secretary may not transfer more than 10,000
surplus caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 pistols to the corporation
during any year and may only transfer such pistols as long as
pistols described in paragraph (1) remain available for
transfer.''.
(2) Technical and conforming amendments.--Such title is
further amended--
(A) in section 40728A--
(i) by striking ``rifles'' each place it appears and
inserting ``surplus firearms''; and
(ii) in subsection (a), by striking ``section 40731(a)''
and inserting ``section 40732(a)'';
(B) in section 40729(a)--
(i) in paragraph (1), by striking ``section 40728(a)'' and
inserting ``subsections (a) and (h) of section 40728'';
(ii) in paragraph (2), by striking ``40728(a)'' and
inserting ``subsections (a) and (h) of section 40728''; and
(iii) in paragraph (4), by inserting ``and caliber .45
M1911/M1911A1 surplus pistols'' after ``caliber .30 and
caliber .22 rimfire rifles'';
(C) in section 40732--
(i) by striking ``caliber .22 rimfire and caliber .30
surplus rifles'' both places it appears and inserting
``surplus caliber .22 rimfire rifles, caliber .30 surplus
rifles, and caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 surplus pistols''; and
(ii) in subsection (b), by striking ``is over 18 years of
age'' and inserting ``is legally of age''; and
(D) in section 40733--
(i) by striking ``Section 922(a)(1)-(3) and (5)'' and
inserting ``(a) In General.--Except as provided in subsection
(b), section 922(a)(1)-(3) and (5)''; and
(ii) by adding at the end the following new subsection:
``(b) Exception.--With respect to firearms other than
caliber .22 rimfire and caliber .30 rifles, the corporation
shall obtain a license as a dealer in firearms and abide by
all requirements imposed on persons licensed under chapter 44
of title 18, including maintaining acquisition and
disposition records, and conducting background checks.''.
(b) Pilot Program.--
(1) One-year authority.--The Secretary of the Army may
carry out a one-year pilot program under which the Secretary
may transfer to the Corporation for the Promotion of Rifle
Practice and Firearms Safety not more than 10,000 firearms
described in paragraph (2).
(2) Firearms described.--The firearms described in this
paragraph are surplus caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 pistols and
spare parts and related accessories for those pistols that,
on the date of the enactment of this section, are under the
control of the Secretary and are surplus to the requirements
of the Department of the Army.
(3) Transfer requirements.--Transfers of surplus caliber
.45 M1911/M1911A1 pistols from the Army to the Corporation
under the pilot program shall be made in accordance with
subchapter II of chapter 407 of title 36, United States Code.
(4) Reports to congress.--
(A) Interim report.--Not later than 90 days after the
Secretary initiates the pilot program under this subsection,
the Secretary shall submit to Congress an interim report on
the pilot program.
(B) Final report.--Not later than 15 days after the
Secretary completes the pilot program under this subsection,
the Secretary shall submit to Congress a final report on the
pilot program.
(C) Contents of report.--Each report required by this
subsection shall include, for the period covered by the
report--
(i) the number of firearms described in subsection (a)(2)
transferred under the pilot program; and
(ii) information on any crimes committed using firearms
transferred under the pilot program.
(c) Limitation on Transfer of Surplus Caliber .45 M1911/
M1911A1 Pistols.--The Secretary may not transfer firearms
described in subsection (b)(2) under subchapter II of chapter
407 of title 36, United States Code, until the date that is
60 days after the date of the submittal of the final report required under subsection (b)(4)(B).
 
Why wouldn't a dealer transfer a Milsurp 1911?

Because it isn't on the double secret list.

- - - Updated - - -

Isn't that what a C&R is for?

The legislation posted above specifically requires dealer transfer for non-rifles transferred by the CMP. I guess a MA resident with a C&R could go to NH for the dealer transfer though, if the milsurp 1911 is C&R eligible.
 
****. Those of us in MA are screwed then since the 1911s will need to be transferred through dealers.

Effective 1/1/21, a MA FFL will be able to make transfers of C&R eligible firearms to C&R licensees regardless if they were in state prior to the 98 cut-off date.

Yeah... I know it sucks we would have to wait that long, but by the time the bill is passed (if passed with the CMP provision), and by the time the CMP
makes the first acquisitions, and by the time they're ready to go on sale, at least another 2-3 years will have passed anyways.
 
According to CMP newsletter:

An update on the 1911 pistols. The revised NDAA has passed the House and Senate. It is on its way to the President's desk for signature. We have no further information at this time.
 
The revised bill is heading back to Obama. From CMP:

An update on the 1911 pistols. The revised NDAA has passed the House and Senate. It is on its way to the President's desk for signature. We have no further information at this time.

Edit: Just a bit too slow :p
 
According to CMP newsletter:

the white house said yesterday they would sign it. So in 2 to 3 yrs we should start seeing 1911's. The bill states a max of 10,000 per year. Hopefully the other garnads overseas get here under the next POTUS.
 
Hopefully the other garnads overseas get here under the next POTUS.

Those aren't our Garands and they won't come thru the CMP if they are allowed back in. They will have to be imported like any other firearm from outside of the country and will be sold by importers like Century Arms. They won't have any provenance like CMP guns and will most likely be more expensive. Ours belong to the Army and are given to CMP when they are returned and those are unaffected by the import ban.
 
It's grandstanding. I have no doubt in my mind that he doesn't give any actual ****s about it beyond his 'legacy'.

Well, it's a campaign promise, he needs to shut Gitmo. That's why he pulled all troops out of Iraq in 2011, to fill the campaign promise in '08. I think he does care for the terrorists though, he honestly thinks if they get a hug they will be cured of their evil desires.
 
Great news. But if I understand correctly, the pistols need to be shipped to a FFL.
What are the chances that they'll get on the AG/EOPS lists?
Or would getting a C&R FFL be suffient?
 
Great news. But if I understand correctly, the pistols need to be shipped to a FFL.
What are the chances that they'll get on the AG/EOPS lists?
Or would getting a C&R FFL be suffient?

No way those guns can get on the EOPS List, you need to read the criteria . . . that ain't happening.

Best bet is to move out of MA.

C&R FFL MAY be acceptable but I won't be surprised if CMP says "no MA sales since they aren't on the EOPS List"!
 
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