Everyone should be safe in their home. Otherwise, what's the point?
Was he really in immediate danger of death or grave bodily injury from an unarmed 15-year-old on the other side of a door?
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Everyone should be safe in their home. Otherwise, what's the point?
You? Hope to be called for jury duty? In Massachusetts?Here's hoping I get called for jury duty.
We citizens don't get to feel or think we are in danger....... Funny some can escalate the violence to stop a threat but others can't. Run hide and wait to the threat comes in. Really? Gun safety is one thing it's funny cops can let loose a barrage of bullets with out regarding what's beyond their "target" Sucks all around. ... God bless
Shoot through the door at an unarmed 15-year-old? Really? You think that is the right response?
Shoot through the door at an unarmed 15-year-old? Really? You think that is the right response?
That's why we have juries... and as a side note, any reference to the victim's age are irrelevant.....the shooter didn't ask to see ID from the individual who was attempting to gain entry to the accused's dwelling.Shoot through the door at an unarmed 15-year-old? Really? You think that is the right response?
Shoot through the door at an unarmed 15-year-old? Really? You think that is the right response?
That's why we have juries... and as a side note, any reference to the victim's age are irrelevant.....the shooter didn't ask to see ID from the individual who was attempting to gain entry to the accused's dwelling.
Also, the "only 15 yrs old" thing is completely irrelevant, since one doesn't have to be of any minimum age to commit a violent crime. There have been many killers thru history who killed before they were old enough to drive.
I'm not NOT defending killing an unarmed teen by shooting through a door, but can we at least have as much as an arraignment before tarring, feathering and/or throwing this guy off of a building or burning him alive in a cage?
Bad judgment and rush to judgment are often synonymous.
There are Amendments other than the 2nd that make up the Bill of Rights....6A says something about trial, fairness, etc... We weren't there, we don't know the shooter's mental state. Was his home broken into many times? Was he recently threatened by a friend of this victim or by someone who looks exactly like the victim? etc... Or he could be a meth dealer who thought it was a robbery and therefore is a dirtbag who will serve a long sentence....
All of which will come out during a trial, which, in this country anyways usually takes place in a semi-air conditioned courtroom in front of a jury of your peers...versus in the sand, in the middle of a road in front of an angry village mob... while the "judge" lifts himself up from the rug he was kneeling on and a "jury of one" sharpens his sword (as both of them finish their opening remarks with "Akhbar")...
^ THISI know that readers are reacting from the gut about an attempted home invasion, but the law in all but one state (TX) doesn't allow you to shoot thru doors at people outside your house without a clear and distinct threat to human life.
Read Atty. Andrew Branca's book "The Law of Self Defense", it covers all 50 states and tells you what is legal and what will put you in jail. I've read the book, taken his seminar and graduated his instructor training program (eventually I'll put a course together). It's all very eye-opening. As an alternative take the NRA Personal Protection in the Home course from an instructor who really knows the law of self defense (I teach this, next class is October) and doesn't just gloss over the legal aspects (per NRA-supposed to be taught by attorney or LEO knowledgeable about self-defense and gun laws in the state it is taught).
You're never going to convince me this guy couldn't find some cover or concealment, actually wait until he could, y'know, see a target, and then shoot it from a safe position. It's his own house; doesn't he know where he can go to range the door safely? Don't all of us on NES?
God forbid we actually expect our fellow gun owners to do something crazy like "identify their target" before opening fire. Ain't no way you can possibly "know your target and what's beyond" when the door is closed.
Not sure why this guy's got so many defenders here. Irresponsible gun handling in spades; I'm not about to applaud it.
I second this. Definitely should have waited until the door was broken and he was walking in. Just banging on a door, front or back, doesn't make it a crime.
Once he's inside, that's breaking and entering.
Was he really in immediate danger of death or grave bodily injury from an unarmed 15-year-old on the other side of a door?
JFC. Why not just cower in place?
I love how you just make an assumption that he didn't identify the target.
Ever heard of windows?
Maybe he opened the door first and saw them, then closed it and they tried to break in.
Maybe it was a screen door?
Second, I don't know anyone that would try to actively break my door in, so I really have no problem with shooting through a door. When was the last time you had someone who wasn't a criminal try to break your door?
The pair knocked around a lot of ideas — car theft, mail robbery, hitting old people with rocks and stealing their money. Finally, they settled on a scheme. Pretending to be students of environmental studies, they would knock on doors and ask if they could come in to conduct a survey. Once inside, they would pull out a weapon, tie up their victims and threaten them until they turned over their ATM cards and PIN numbers.
The first time — July 17, 2000, in Vershire, Vt. — the budding criminal masterminds were thwarted by a homeowner who was unwilling to open his door to a couple of strangers, and carried a 9-mm. Glock to make his point..
JFC. Why not just cower in place?
I love how you just make an assumption that he didn't identify the target.
Ever heard of windows?
Maybe he opened the door first and saw them, then closed it and they tried to break in.
Maybe it was a screen door?
Second, I don't know anyone that would try to actively break my door in, so I really have no problem with shooting through a door. When was the last time you had someone who wasn't a criminal try to break your door?
Fine. I'll put it another way.
Feel free to take your own advice. Go ahead and shoot through a door. Then come tell us how it worked out.
I thought not.
Why? Because shooting through a door, on top of being illegal and unsafe, is a horrific idea. There are dozens of better ways to handle the same situation that don't put anybody at risk. I swear, some of you folks just sound as though you're itching to shoot somebody.
Go ahead and call it "cowering." I'd MUCH rather cower in my home and not shoot anyone than cower in prison as I try to avoid getting raped. Of course, YMMV.
Fine. I'll put it another way.
Feel free to take your own advice. Go ahead and shoot through a door. Then come tell us how it worked out.
I thought not.
Why? Because shooting through a door, on top of being illegal and unsafe, is a horrific idea. There are dozens of better ways to handle the same situation that don't put anybody at risk. I swear, some of you folks just sound as though you're itching to shoot somebody.
Go ahead and call it "cowering." I'd MUCH rather cower in my home and not shoot anyone than cower in prison as I try to avoid getting raped. Of course, YMMV.
Was he really in immediate danger of death or grave bodily injury from an unarmed 15-year-old on the other side of a door?
Shoot through the door at an unarmed 15-year-old? Really? You think that is the right response?
Was he really in immediate danger of death or grave bodily injury from an unarmed 15-year-old on the other side of a door?
Shoot through the door at an unarmed 15-year-old? Really? You think that is the right response?
Maybe he was a "Gentle Giant"?
It is not unsafe to shoot through a door, in any way, other than for the person on the other side. Your pandering to feelings about "safeness" during an attempted break in show you'd rather accommodate a criminal than simply ensure personal safety. Which is ludicrous.
ETA: I also love how you try to portray people who prefer actual safety of themselves like a liberal: "trigger happy", "just want to kill someone". This was a break in, not a Jehovah's Witness knocking door to door.
We'll agree to disagree; you play this your way and I'll play it mine. But you'll be the one in the courtroom, not I.
As always, you understand that your decisions have consequences. The consequences of shooting through a door at a drunk kid who presents no imminent threat are something you'd all do well to think about.
Shoot through the door at an unarmed 15-year-old? Really? You think that is the right response?
Good luck to you.
The one most important point that Atty. Andy Branca makes in his book and seminars is that "it isn't just MA"! He points out that doing what you advocate will get you into a courtroom on serious criminal charges in 49 states (TX being the exception).
It may sound and feel good but the American legal system takes a very dim view of that sort of action.
I'm neither defending or condemning what you say . . . I focus on what the laws allow and let the reader (or my students) decide what to do or not on their own.
Lens serious question do these self defense laws apply to police?