This looks like a cool upper for your AR-15
http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Safir_Arms_T-14_Compact_.410_Guage_Upper_Half.html
http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Safir_Arms_T-14_Compact_.410_Guage_Upper_Half.html
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doesn't the Taurus Judge fire both a 45 long colt and a .410 cartridge?
The 410 is a shotgun.i dont think thats legal in MA...
if it turns it into a shotgun then you cant have the pistol grip on it right?
or is a .410 rifle not considered a shotgun?
im sure someone knows for sure.
i dont think thats legal in MA...
if it turns it into a shotgun then you cant have the pistol grip on it right?
or is a .410 rifle not considered a shotgun?
im sure someone knows for sure.
The 410 is a shotgun.
According to this thread it should be good as long as you have a fixed 5 round magazine.
http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=54815
I'm sure someone more familiar with MA laws could confirm.
I've got a couple of Benelli M4's with pistol grips, so it's not the pistol grip that would get you. I don't remember what the rule is off the top of my head - but it might be a pistol grip in combination with a removable mag on a shotgun.
I am sure the answer is on NES somewhere.
Ergo, as I read it this upper is legit for MA:the term assault weapon shall not include: ... (vii) any semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more than five rounds of ammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine
Features a 20" smooth bore barrel, 5rd polymer magazine, and semi-automatic Recoil operation.
that masterkey isnt mass legal either i think.
i could be wrong, but as far as i know it is legal to own a SBS, but it is not legal to make one. that shotgun attachment on that rifle is a modified version of a full length shotgun, so i dont think its MA legal.
can any of the law experts chime in??
jermey!! where are you!?
I'm not so sure. That was the definition according to the Federal AWB, but as I read it the MA AWB law reads somewhat differently in this one area. It appears to me that shotguns of 5 rounds or less capacity are exempt from the state AWB thus the evil feature count does not apply.With semi-shotguns you're only allowed one of the following:
Folding or collapsible stock
Pistol Grip
More than 5 round capacity
Detachable magazine
So the pistol grip takes care of one, and the box mag takes it one step over into AWB territory, unfortunately.
If I'm wrong, please point out what I missed, with citations.Assault weapon”, shall have the same meaning as a semiautomatic assault weapon as defined in the federal Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, 18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(30) as appearing in such section on September 13, 1994, and shall include, but not be limited to, any of the weapons, or copies or duplicates of the weapons, of any caliber, known as: (i) Avtomat Kalashnikov (AK) (all models); (ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil; (iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70); (iv) Colt AR-15; (v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR and FNC; (vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9 and M-12; (vi) Steyr AUG; (vii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and (viii) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as, or similar to, the Street Sweeper and Striker 12; provided, however, that the term assault weapon shall not include: (i) any of the weapons, or replicas or duplicates of such weapons, specified in appendix A to 18 U.S.C. section 922 as appearing in such appendix on September 13, 1994, as such weapons were manufactured on October 1, 1993; (ii) any weapon that is operated by manual bolt, pump, lever or slide action; (iii) any weapon that has been rendered permanently inoperable or otherwise rendered permanently unable to be designated a semiautomatic assault weapon; (iv) any weapon that was manufactured prior to the year 1899; (v) any weapon that is an antique or relic, theatrical prop or other weapon that is not capable of firing a projectile and which is not intended for use as a functional weapon and cannot be readily modified through a combination of available parts into an operable assault weapon; (vi) any semiautomatic rifle that cannot accept a detachable magazine that holds more than five rounds of ammunition; or (vii) any semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more than five rounds of ammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine.
dench said:that masterkey isnt mass legal either i think.
If I'm wrong, please point out what I missed, with citations.
OK, I see the point. Personally this appears to be a gray area, particularly if there are no "hi-cap" mags available for said shotgun; however, IANAL, YMMV, suo motuNo, you're not wrong exactly. However, except for very weird situations, any shotgun that has a detachable magazine will be argued to be able to hold more than five shells in such a magazine. So that bit of § 121 you found is basically meaningless.
Though the same nonsense has been clarified in the definition of a "large capacity weapon" so you might be able to argue the standards for that (large capacity magazine has to actually be present) also apply to this definition. But it's not something I'd personally fool with, as it's by no means a "slam dunk" defense.
OK, I see the point. Personally this appears to be a gray area, particularly if there are no "hi-cap" mags available for said shotgun; however, IANAL, YMMV, suo motu