Not sure what your referencing.Like the seals on the cape?
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Not sure what your referencing.Like the seals on the cape?
I guess I was just trying to illustrate that govt can't manage anything. Maybe I responded to the wrong post to do that though.Not sure what your referencing.
Some wildlife management plans are successful by the government some are not.I guess I was just trying to illustrate that govt can't manage anything. Maybe I responded to the wrong post to do that though.
If the regulations didn't start in the first half if the 1900s......there wouldn't be any game animals to hunt. The populations on game animals was that bad. As for myself......I like having huntable populations of game.....and I hunt ALOT. The VAST majority of hunters do play by the rules......because we understand that the rules are there to ensure sustainable game populations for all to utilize.Two things can be true at once
Do the regulations preserve wildlife resources? Its likely possible though I think govt screws up just about everything up and this is no exception.
In asking for govts permission to feed yourself result in a loss of rights, increased dependency on govt as well as increased surveillance and enforcement and criminalizes otherwise law abiding citizens . Yes
Which is worse? "I don't know.
Nah, there should be a daily limit on seals. I won't deny they don't get everything right.Not sure what your referencing.
Atlantic cod is a fine example of fish species that are being harvested to the brink. Canada has had a moratorium on cod fishing since the 1990s. New England is almost to that point.Nah, there should be a daily limit on seals. I won't deny they don't get everything right.
There are a lot of animals that are protected that shouldn't be. But as far as big game is concerned. If we didn't have the regulations in place that we do. There would be nothing left.
There are also a lot of fish. That if we keep harvesting the way we do in 20 years there will be nothing left.
Nah, there should be a daily limit on seals. I won't deny they don't get everything right.
There are a lot of animals that are protected that shouldn't be. But as far as big game is concerned. If we didn't have the regulations in place that we do. There would be nothing left.
There are also a lot of fish. That if we keep harvesting the way we do in 20 years there will be nothing left.
I would think that if everyone was shooting deer out of season, the herd would be reduced quite a bit more than 10%.Iffy on this. If everyone just shot deer on their property out of season, the herd would be decimated. Can't imagine the deer population in NH/ME/MA doing well if everyone could just bag a deer any time of year. I have no idea what the NorCal deer herd is like though. Most hunters I know support management efforts.
The way the warden went about nailing this guy seems like BS though. And 20K fine is full retard.
The circumstances they are using against him is a recent law that Has higher fines for taking what the state considers a "trophy animal" by illegal means.I would think that if everyone was shooting deer out of season, the herd would be reduced quite a bit more than 10%.
There seems to have been aggravating circumstances which were used to justify the large fine.
The aggravated circumstances include baiting as well, so that is a consideration.The circumstances they are using against him is a recent law that Has higher fines for taking what the state considers a "trophy animal" by illegal means.
True that the problem in overfishing lies with the commercial entities especially for cod and herring stocks. The United States can only set limits and regulations on commercial harvest of fish inside the economic exclusion zone which extends only 200 nautical miles out to sea per international law. The problem with the management of cod stocks is that the range that cod exist ...and migrate through.....extends well beyond the 200 nautical miles. The countries that are mostly responsible for cod depletion are Portugal and Spain. They fish the shit out of cod just outside the 200 nautical mile exclusion zone and there's nothing the us government can do about it. Herring show the same symptoms due to eez limits. Years ago the us put a moratorium on fishing for herring and using them for libe bait. The problem here is that the us government ends up punishing the recreational angler for problems that are not created by the recreational folks.Maybe. But the majority of overfishing comes from commercial vessels which could and should be regulated differently as people are profiting from it. The majority of mass kill offs and near extinctions have been monetarily driven. For example the buffalo herds on the Great Plains NOT from people hunting to feed themselves.
The fact they can board my boat. Search me. Search my boat. Temporarily confiscate any firearms. Check the serial numbers. Detain me for as long as they want all to save a F%%king fish is absolutely ludicrous.
The aggravated circumstances include baiting as well, so that is a consideration.
Yeah that’s worked out so well in the past, never. Simply put your view leads to everything killed in a hurry. Always has always will. That’s why we have bag limits and seasons. We can agree to disagree but you’d be wrong. Guys a dirtbag, he knew exactly what he was doing and should pay a high price.let a man do what a man is going to do on his own land.
It’s a standard practice in many states. The state will seize everything that helped facilitate the illegal activity. Like seizing a drug traffickers car.Im having trouble getting upset by this... The only thing that doesn't make sense is taking his gun that he shot the deer with.
Also, your positions on abortion are irrelevant to this thread.
It’s a 4x4 in western lingo. What matters here is the width and height of the rack. The deer he killed is a monster. Points don’t matter, it’s spread. Looks to be a 30” deer easy. Look at the pic at the end of the story in the sled. That a big one.Is a four-point buck considered a "trophy animal"? I'm being serious, I've never hunted deer and don't know what's expected.
I mean, hell, I've seen a four-point buck in my backyard in the 'burbs. Looked like a nice amount of meat on the hoof, but the antlers didn't seem that impressive.
Nope.I think out west, 4 points on each side is a 4-pointer, at least with mule deer.
No 4-pointer is a trophy.
What you are referring to, is covered under the Marine Mammal Act that is the responsibility of National Marine Fisheries Service who are under NOAA. There is a provision in the Marine Mammal Act to allow the culling of those animals, but none of those in charge have the balls to set up and execute the plan. NOAA does not get money from P-R funds. Also folks the commercial and salt water sport fisheries all come under NMFS/NOAA.I guess I was just trying to illustrate that govt can't manage anything. Maybe I responded to the wrong post to do that though.
I know quite a few of em personally. Most a great people.....a scant few can be dicks.Environmental Police take their jobs too serious
Environmental Police take their jobs too serious
After 30 years of hunting coast to coast I can say that has not been my experience.
Here’s a “4 pointer” my Cousin shot a few years ago. Would you pass on that? That’s the deer of a lifetime for the majority of hunters. For those of you not familiar with mule deer his ears are about twice the size of a Whitetail, to give you a reference to how wide this deer really is.I think out west, 4 points on each side is a 4-pointer, at least with mule deer.
No 4-pointer is a trophy.
True that the problem in overfishing lies with the commercial entities especially for cod and herring stocks. The United States can only set limits and regulations on commercial harvest of fish inside the economic exclusion zone which extends only 200 nautical miles out to sea per international law. The problem with the management of cod stocks is that the range that cod exist ...and migrate through.....extends well beyond the 200 nautical miles. The countries that are mostly responsible for cod depletion are Portugal and Spain. They fish the shit out of cod just outside the 200 nautical mile exclusion zone and there's nothing the us government can do about it. Herring show the same symptoms due to eez limits. Years ago the us put a moratorium on fishing for herring and using them for libe bait. The problem here is that the us government ends up punishing the recreational angler for problems that are not created by the recreational folks.
The way the warden went about nailing this guy seems like BS though. And 20K fine is full retard.
I can already sense the posts coming saying "his private property he can shoot what he wants".
For those of you in that camp.....this is how it works......you can own the land......but you don't own the animals and birds that walk on it or fly over it......the wildlife belongs to the public trust.
NH for example......the state extends your right to hunt om your property without purchasing a license......but you still need to obey season and bag limits because the game animals belong to to everyone and the management plans therefore apply to everyone.
It's a concept I agree with.
The animals are not his. Period.
You can own the land....but you don't own the animals and birds that walk on it or fly over it. That's how it works.
In NH you can hunt your property without buying a license ...but you must obey season and bag limits.....becuase the wildlife belongs to the public.....and is managed for all to utilize.
Here’s a “4 pointer” my Cousin shot a few years ago. Would you pass on that? That’s the deer of a lifetime for the majority of hunters. For those of you not familiar with mule deer his ears are about twice the size of a Whitetail, to give you a reference to how wide this deer really is.View attachment 330021
Commercial hunting of game is illegal. Has been for like 70 years. You cannot sell wild harvested game meat.....that was also put in place to bring game animal populations back from the brink of disaster.So if we can agree that its the commercial side causing the problems, couldn't it be possible that the same principle would apply to hunting?
Commercial hunting of game is illegal. Has been for like 70 years. You cannot sell wild harvested game meat.....that was also put in place to bring game animal populations back from the brink of disaster.
Fur bearers are a different system. You can sell fur that is wild harvested but the regulations are strict.
So.....no.
They are doing fine in mass yesCorrect. And ever since then population decline hasn't been much of a problem has it? You can argue that the controls on recreation hunters helped and I would probably agree in order to get things back in balance. But from what I understand Deer populations are doing just fine. It may be time to re examine century old laws.