C & R book

[imgone]

So for those of you that have a C & R, when you buy a firearm online, in the book do you record the date you made the purchase, or the date you actually received the firearm in your hands ?

 

[grizquad]

I record everything in my book when I have the firearm in hand after fondeling it touching it all over.

 

[BTSDOG]

You purchased it on one date, then acquired it on another when you actually received it..

 

[daekken]

I use the date I receive it. Part of the reason is I don't typically know the serial until it arrives. Plus, it could get lost/stolen in transit, in which case it was not really an acquisition, in my opinion.

 

[DW357]

I use the date I receive it. Part of the reason is I don't typically know the serial until it arrives. Plus, it could get lost/stolen in transit, in which case it was not really an acquisition, in my opinion.

This

 

[Cuz]

Is their a default book or template that most folks use?

 

[microwave900]

Probably because it’s so easily accessible on Amazon but this one is pretty common among C&Rs. Amazon product ASIN B01CAT38KCView: https://www.amazon.com/Curio-Relic-Bound-Collectors-Entry/dp/B01CAT38KC/


I thought the federal regulations for all FFLs covered the “date of acquisition” in more detail but I can’t find it. Absent that, we should ask a dealer/manufacturer who’s been inspected by ATF. But I have always believed it was the date the shipped gun arrives at your address.

 

[PATRON]

Liker Stated until it's in your hands it's really not yours, and make sure the serial number on the invoice
they send you match the gun.I had one guy put the wrong numbers on the invoice, and his log book.

 

[KBCraig]

It's an Acquisition & Disposition log.

Even if you already paid for it, you haven't acquired it until it's in your hands.

 

[LuvDog]

Date received. My book has a shamefully low number of entries though

 

[oldgunner]

I use the date I receive it. Part of the reason is I don't typically know the serial until it arrives. Plus, it could get lost/stolen in transit, in which case it was not really an acquisition, in my opinion.

Same here

 

[BigGreen2000]

Is logging in/out required if the item is going to a gunsmith for repair?

 

[KMM696]

Is logging in/out required if the item is going to a gunsmith for repair?

If I remember right, if the gunsmith has it more than a day, they are required to log it in their book. If they're logging it, I'm also going to log the C&R in and out of my book as well. I do not have a cite for that close at hand, though.

 

[KBCraig]

If I remember right, if the gunsmith has it more than a day, they are required to log it in their book. If they're logging it, I'm also going to log the C&R in and out of my book as well. I do not have a cite for that close at hand, though.

Correct.

If they're required to log it in (and they are if it's not returned on the same business day), it becomes an FFL-FFL transfer, and same when you pick it up.

If you have a gunsmith work on C&R items, it's best to work this out in advance and make sure they know what C&R is, and that they'll recognize your FFL.

 

[millbilly]

This has probably been asked here before but when receiving the firearm the seller is obligated to provide name and address OR name and license? I ask this because almost all sellers I have dealt with provide a copy of their license. So as the buyer I record their name, address, and license in my log. Recently I have had two sellers provide name and address but no license? What I am asking is this ok to record just sellers name and address? I think so. This was a recent topic/argument on another forum I am on.

 

[KBCraig]

This has probably been asked here before but when receiving the firearm the seller is obligated to provide name and address OR name and license? I ask this because almost all sellers I have dealt with provide a copy of their license. So as the buyer I record their name, address, and license in my log. Recently I have had two sellers provide name and address but no license? What I am asking is this ok to record just sellers name and address? I think so. This was a recent topic/argument on another forum I am on.

If you have the license number, use that. That's the only thing needed.

If you don't have a license number, you must enter name, address, and (forgive me, it's been a long time) the type of ID and ID details (number, etc.)

Like I said, it's been a long time: it could be that the ID details in lieu of FFL number only applies to dispositions.

Another oddity, unless it's changed: interstate acquisitions can be at any location, but interstate dispositions to non-licensees can only be done at your licensed address. Type 01 FFLs get a pass on that for gun shows, but collectors don't.