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BREAKING: DoJ Rules That Bump Fire Stocks Are Now Machine Guns, court says hold it update post 301
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AHM
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Very Fake definition.
Statutes are passed by legislatures.
In the United States, all three branches of government can create laws.
ETA: And so can the people.
Dennis in MA
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Damn. I hate all three. Go figure.
But NFA is written as it's written. Maybe it's time to amend it. And by amend, I mean TAKE CRAP OUT OF IT!
AHM
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(I'm sure it will open me to criticism, but)
how many NESers now objecting to ATF (or anyone else)
moving to declare bump stocks illegal,
were first astonished that bump stocks
had ever been declared legal in the first place?
how many NESers now objecting to ATF (or anyone else)
moving to declare bump stocks illegal,
were first astonished that bump stocks
had ever been declared legal in the first place?
I am continuously astonished how much freedom our master bestow on us on daily basis. We all could be living in barracks and work for free, but somehow our masters are free ranging us, letting us go from one end of the pasture to another without a permission slip from a LEO in the tower.
Irony of the century.
Oh, that's how politics work, and it was all apart of Trump's plan!
![[rofl]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/013.gif "ROFL [rofl]")
HorizontalHunter
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So true, and it's essentially a rogue agency that lacks the usual checks and balances any arm of the gov should have. A more appropriate name would be Ministry of Political Correctness- I see little regard for blind justice.
Al458
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Isnt it strange how the doj can look at something and say that it isnt an nfa regulated item, then that same doj can look at the very same object and ban it literally within a matter of a few years. The device has not changed, definition of said device has not changed nor has any language in the nfa been changed for this to make any sense, but somehow it's now illegal. Moves like this is what really scares me about our government
it's definition of terror:
you wake up and something that was legal and in common use is suddenly against the law to possess. This goes way beyond second amendment. Big brother is invading into people's lives and tell them what they can and can't do.
The means to regulate is also coated in bullshit. NFA was technically "a tax" and recent ruling about making guns in KS means that people there can't make MGs for their use because they may trade them across state lines, so now it's Fed issue. Everything is coated in total bullshit and lies. And somehow this is for my own f***ing benefit?
This country is moving toward the state of MA: elections don't matter, vote or no vote, unelected bureaucrats are making laws to make your life shit. Then comes the question, why the f*** are taxpayers paying for a large portion of US population to do nothing and just make them miserable. This is NOT public service, it's no service at all. All we got is these public servants causing grief and fear.
Dennis in MA
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Astonished they were legal?? Nope. Astonished someone would make them??? Yep. Bullet-wasters. But we've had spring-loaded and other "machine gun" triggers marketed for decades. Astonished they were so popular??? Yes. Again, a bullet-waster in teh first place.
I do NOT support the ban because. . . . it's fiat law. Change NFA if you want to include any sort of device. As bad as the NFA is, it defines what a machine gun is and what isn't. As someone said above, is Jerry Michalicha. . . Mikaluka. . . Mamaluke. . . . Whatever going to be declared illegal b/c he can shoot so fast????
Technically arm and shoulder-jerk.
kevin9
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I like much of what Trump has done. This, criminalizing possession of pieces of plastic, is NOT one of them. I realize it's likely a bone to the GunControl dogs, but such rabid dogs are never happy with just a bone, they want the whole cow. Rabid dogs need to be shot down, figuratively speaking, not appeased.
GM-GUY
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Let’s say they re-open it, let’s say it even includes a new amnesty for what you already have. It’s not going to stay open though.
Would you put anything on a list? I know I wouldn’t, not the way they have handled things around the country.
Would you put anything on a list? I know I wouldn’t, not the way they have handled things around the country.
GM-GUY
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Some states have banned possession of bump-stocks, turn them in or get rid of them.
Some lunatic decides that bump-stocks are kinda like machine guns and we banned/confiscated them - why not do the same with real machine guns? And we already know who has them.
Some lunatic decides that bump-stocks are kinda like machine guns and we banned/confiscated them - why not do the same with real machine guns? And we already know who has them.
AHM
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Let's say, "astonished our overlords threw us that bone".
one-eyed Jack
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So, one violent crime (supposedly) committed with bump stocks since the beginning of time? And only one or two committed with machine guns since 1934? This is a reason for a ban? I don't get it. Jack.
The real question is: Are they going to take them or open the MG registry to
add them to it. They don't have a serial number stamped in metal like they
made Glock do to approve for sale in the US.
Malodave
add them to it. They don't have a serial number stamped in metal like they
made Glock do to approve for sale in the US.
Malodave
one-eyed Jack
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My take is that ATF wants no part of this. It's confusing and makes work for them. Jack.
Should be interesting how that plays out if it comes to it. In the end I just don’t see how it survives court challenges but that will be drawn out over years.
In the mean time I might be adding a Stretch-Fire Systems stringy band upgrade to my fully semi-auto goastly gun. The one with 30 caliber clip in case you needed to know.
HorizontalHunter
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