I'm impressed!
Lets see if that really follows through.
When we got ours, it was an 8 hour "Patrol Rifle Orientation" and maybe 200 rounds.
I'm wondering where they're going to find 2000 rounds per officer
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I'm impressed!
Lets see if that really follows through.
When we got ours, it was an 8 hour "Patrol Rifle Orientation" and maybe 200 rounds.
Some police union officials, who are scheduled to discuss the firepower upgrade with department management today, are concerned that the weapons are too powerful for city streets and that they could fall into the wrong hands and be used against police officers and citizens, the officials said.
12 gauge 00 buck is not "too much firepower" but a 55 gr. 5.56 is? Huh?Watertown has had these for several years now. Yeah, Watertown.. All 4 square miles of it... They mounted above the headrests.
Personally, I agree with the "too much firepower" for urban policing. Very little can't be handled in the city with the standard 12 ga. But then, I'm old school and carried a sxs back in the day.
Watertown has had these for several years now. Yeah, Watertown.. All 4 square miles of it... They mounted above the headrests.
Personally, I agree with the "too much firepower" for urban policing. Very little can't be handled in the city with the standard 12 ga. But then, I'm old school and carried a sxs back in the day.
12 gauge 00 buck is not "too much firepower" but a 55 gr. 5.56 is? Huh?
An AR15 is far more accurate and easier to shoot than a 12 gauge, particularly for officers of smaller stature.
12 gauge 00 buck is not "too much firepower" but a 55 gr. 5.56 is? Huh?
An AR15 is far more accurate and easier to shoot than a 12 gauge, particularly for officers of smaller stature.
I agree. They need to stick to their statements that these are for extraordinary situations (and hopefully light up etch-a-sketchs flipping the bird don't count here ) and not typical policing.
If they are for "extraordinary situations" then they won't be there in time. A typical active shooter situation is over in minutes. If every patrol car has a rifle, then there is a chance that a responding officer will be there in time with the necessary equipment. If only a patrol supervisor has a rifle or the officer needs to get particular permission from higher ups to use the rifle, then it will all be over by then.
But then, I'm old school and carried a sxs back in the day.
Where in NYC? NYC police deploy side arms only, and have Tactical Response teams in vans every 10-15 blocks ready to respond with long guns.
Was it the same one you carried during the War Between The States?
I'm out of this thread. Knee-jerk, cop-bashing, "assault rifles are OK for me but bad for cops" lunacy. Gets my blood pressure high.
I'm out of this thread. Knee-jerk, cop-bashing, "assault rifles are OK for me but bad for cops" lunacy. Gets my blood pressure high.
the police should be equipped... i'm not saying rolling around in APC's w / MK19's pointed at us w / a guy in the turret... but c'mom? a eFin M16???
look at what happened in Cali... two a**h***s in full body armor, how long did it take to take them down?
Those are DHS / Transit Authority agents. Not NYPD.
You can't lionize cops/soldiers then hate your government. You people have to pick one and stick with it. I choose to say that cops/military are people to, no better, no worse than the general population and as such, bad apples happen. Treating them differently leads to abuses. Treating the same is the only fair way to go.
Interesting thread, I was not aware of the widespread practice of department being issued surplus rifles. I'm surprised that S&W wasn't able to work out a deal?
You can lament the system without stripping officers and soldiers of the tools they need to do their jobs properly. Any licensed citizen, and in fact most people across the country, can carry a locked rifle in their car. I see no reason why police officers shouldn't especially when said rifles are free, given from stocks of surplused, obselete rifles.
ETA: I don't have an issue with them being issued. I just hope they are used in accordance to the excuses proffered by smarmy bureaucrats on why they are needed.
Do they have to pay the $200 federal transfer fee for each rifle?
but the Boston proposal is to arm them the weapons for semiautomatic operation.
At 10:34 AM before this shit storm occurred I said:
I NEVER said do not deploy them. EVER. I said they should used in accordance with the reasons they are supposedly getting them. Which is terrorists and extra-ordinary events.
But one interesting note, in MA we can't carry locked and loaded rifles.
breathe t-dog...
what's in 2011?
i'll run to canada..
Was it the same one you carried during the War Between The States?