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ATF Proposed Rule Change for Frames and Receivers
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slugworth
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Wow they went up in price!
Should come with a realistic-looking puppy to absorb those first few rounds as your front door is flying across the room.
xtry51
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NEW RULE - PISTOL FRAME AND RECEIVERS -
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DispositionMatrix
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xtry51
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NEW RULE - PISTOL FRAME AND RECEIVERS - for full pdf. 350+ pages. Here are some relevant screenshots
That shit needs to go to court. They are insane.
After that they can explain why an FNC and AUG need to have the upper serialized but not AR's. We can do a drug test on the ATF agent trying to explain that one as it's the only way we'll understand the thought process.
After that they can explain why an FNC and AUG need to have the upper serialized but not AR's. We can do a drug test on the ATF agent trying to explain that one as it's the only way we'll understand the thought process.
they specifically call this out.. wouldn't this be an 80%. so it's still not a receiver as long as the seller doesn't include instructions or tools
Example 4— Not a receiver: A billet or blank of an AR-15 variant receiver without critical interior areas having been indexed, machined, or formed that is not sold, distributed, or possessed with instructions, jigs, templates, equipment, or tools such that it may readily be completed is not a receiver.
Example 4— Not a receiver: A billet or blank of an AR-15 variant receiver without critical interior areas having been indexed, machined, or formed that is not sold, distributed, or possessed with instructions, jigs, templates, equipment, or tools such that it may readily be completed is not a receiver.
xtry51
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Correct. It seems they are saying it's a firearm if you include the tools to make it. Which is very strange as it would essentially be a 1A violation to ban sharing the instructions.
AHM
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Palladin
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nothing. til you go to sell one to an FFL, then he has to engrave it
xtry51
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I hate you
Sounds basically like you cannot sell 80s with other parts, tools or instructions. There doesn't seem to be any definitive alterations to what an 80 is or making 80s by themselves firearms.
There is definitely a change to moving PMFs around. If you give your gun to a dealer or gunsmith, they are required to serialize it and report it to ATF before giving it back.
It's tough to say without getting deep into the vague wording.
Also very strange because they’ve already been putting out that guidance to 80% manufacturers. Polymer80 had to stop selling their complete build kits. And with 80% Arms, their GST-9 frame had to be sold separately from the jig and metal parts. But, they could still be shipped together. They just couldn’t be one product. Though, it seems that the ATF is taking it a step further.
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What really grinds my gears is this whole “rule” thing… We’re supposed to be a nation of laws. Like from schoolhouse rocks our bill is supposed to become a law. Not just a reinterpretation of anything you don’t like. Or like Biden using the defense act for minerals for rechargeable car batteries like it’s a matter of national security.
The executive branch has way too much power..
This whole Covid thing is another prime example. It’s such an emergency we don’t have time to sit down and come up with a legitimate plan and pass it the right way. The Senate and the house should’ve sat down figure it the f*** out and approve it legally. And if they want to argue over it and not do it then fine we don’t have to do anything about Covid and we can just deal with it by ourselves. They’re all a bunch of scum bags
The executive branch has way too much power..
This whole Covid thing is another prime example. It’s such an emergency we don’t have time to sit down and come up with a legitimate plan and pass it the right way. The Senate and the house should’ve sat down figure it the f*** out and approve it legally. And if they want to argue over it and not do it then fine we don’t have to do anything about Covid and we can just deal with it by ourselves. They’re all a bunch of scum bags
The Covid stuff, was the same way even for states - even in freakin *NH* - months and months into governor's orders it still wasn't turned over. Now let me qualify that, I really like Sununu *usually*, and maybe it was partly due to other lazy ass politicians who were basically just kicking back and letting him take the heat instead of putting their heads together to take it over, but whatever the case it was freakin lame. I 100% agree that initially, in a real emergency, it's alright when otherwise constitutional for a governor, president, mayor, whoever, to make some temporary rules/decisions because you do not have time for 50 or 200 people coming in cold to be squabbling for hours/days/weeks, but after a month really it's time for actual government process.
Yes this rule making stuff is garbage, the fed government is too damn big, and this concept of instilling the ability to make what amounts to law on the fly, by various federal agencies, is total bullshit - and sadly it's been going on a long time.
Tartakovsky
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GOA Fighting Biden’s Attempt to Expand the Gun Registry | GOA
ATF is at it again—rewriting federal law to create new gun control laws. What is About to Happen? Tomorrow, the Biden Administration is expected to publish its final rule to combat “ghost guns”—or privately made firearms which are currently legal right now. The new rule will be entitled...
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ATF is at it again—rewriting federal law to create new gun control laws.
What is About to Happen?
Tomorrow, the Biden Administration is expected to publish its final rule to combat “ghost guns”—or privately made firearms which are currently legal right now.The new rule will be entitled “Definition of ‘Frame or Receiver’ and Identification of Firearms,” but it will do far more than the White House is pretending.
GOA will analyze the differences between this final rule and the previously published proposed rule, but here is what we know already. The rule will:
- Allow ATF to end the online sale of gun parts at will (as Biden promised on the campaign trail).
- Mandate the serialization of many gun parts, forcing Americans to undergo a background check for a new legal “firearm” in order to repair or buy replacement parts for their guns.
- Require that 100% of Firearm Transaction Records from gun stores dating back to 2002 end up in ATF’s billion record gun registry.
Not only will this mean you have to do multiple background checks to build or repair a gun…
And not only can Biden’s ATF ban the online sale of gun parts without a new law…
This new rule is about expanding an already billion-record gun registry to eventually include EVERY SINGLE SALE at EVERY SINGLE GUN STORE since 2002.
This is pure gun control—ultimately people control.
GOA is Fighting Back!
Thankfully, GOA’s team of attorneys and lobbyists has been preparing for this fight.We’ve known this was coming, since they announced this rule as a proposed rule back in May of 2021.
We plan on fighting this tooth and nail in the courts, as well as, in the halls of Congress. A lawsuit is in the works, but we need your help.
But GOA doesn’t only rely on the court system to defend the Second Amendment, as its reactionary by nature.
That’s why GOA is working to force a vote in the Senate to strike down this rule using a procedure known as the Congressional Review Act.
Using the Congressional Review Act, 30 Senators can submit a petition that will force the Senate to vote on rejecting this rule, bypassing the powerful filibuster.
That’s where you come in.
How You Can Help:
We need you to fill out a message to your senators and representatives at the top of this page demanding they sign-on to this petition in both legislative chambers.We want Congress on the record demonstrating their support or rejection of this abusive demonstration of gun control.
Will Congress strike down Biden’s attempt to expand and solidify ATF’s national gun registry?
Will the Courts enforce the Firearm Owners Protection Act against any new rules or regulations that create gun or gun owner registries?
These are dangerous times for the Second Amendment, but Gun Owners of America is standing up to the gun grabbers.
We’re here to defend your constitutional rights.
Stand with us.
Together, let’s put vulnerable senators who are up for reelection in the hot seat and make them show their true colors.
Together, let’s take this fight to the courts and uphold the Firearm Owners Protection Act!
kro77
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I have to ask, wasn't this the ruling before? If I remember correctly if you intended to sell your DIY, it was required to be Serialized beforehand, and technically you are not supposed to sell them as the DIY guidance was for personal consumption.I hate you
Sounds basically like you cannot sell 80s with other parts, tools or instructions. There doesn't seem to be any definitive alterations to what an 80 is or making 80s by themselves firearms.
There is definitely a change to moving PMFs around. If you give your gun to a dealer or gunsmith, they are required to serialize it and report it to ATF before giving it back.
It's tough to say without getting deep into the vague wording.
So have they basically regulated out the bundles that have been sold that include the slide and barrel and other stuff.
