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Are Stadiums private property? If so, why would the NFL have any say in what goes on in them,
Second point, if its privately owned property of any kind, doesn't the owner of the property have final say on what anyone can do on it, even off duty officers
I really don't see the police having a real say in this, unless its state owned property
However the police could also refuse to work details at the games and get revenge at a huge cost (officers make tons of money working the games)!
I'm curious as to how many NFL stadiums allow off duty LE or concealed carry at all? I bet not many. What about Boston Garden or Fenway, has anyone carried there?Interesting to see where this goes.
Kraft has banned off-duty officers from carrying at Gillette since Day-1. Pretty sure that Sullivan did too before him.
Private venue and they can make their own rules.
However the police could also refuse to work details at the games and get revenge at a huge cost (officers make tons of money working the games)!
Like I said, this could get interesting.
The Patriots are a NFL franchise. If I'm not mistaken the NFL can dictate the security protocols for all Stadiums that host NFL games.
Isn't the NFL subsidized by the federal government?
StevensMarksman
This is a simple one to solve. If the off duty cops don't like the policy, they don't have to go the games and can watch them at home. They are no better than anybody else who gets drunk at these types of events.
Krafty Bob could just hire more private security officers to take their place and only call the locals and staties when it comes time to transport the animals into a cage for the night.
If they refuse to do traffic control on Rte 1, so be it, the traffic flow would probably improve and the side streets would be available for short cuts in and out of the hell hole.
I'm curious as to how many NFL stadiums allow off duty LE or concealed carry at all? I bet not many. What about Boston Garden or Fenway, has anyone carried there?
I'm curious as to how many NFL stadiums allow off duty LE or concealed carry at all? I bet not many. What about Boston Garden or Fenway, has anyone carried there?
Interesting, so it should be of no surprise to the Minnesota Police Association if this came down in October. Curious as to when they filed suit, and if they're the only police association to do so.None.
The NFL adopted its policy last fall and sent a letter to the teams Sept. 11. The policy said guns were "strictly prohibited" within NFL facilities; the only exceptions were law enforcement personnel assigned to games and private security contractors who were licensed to carry a gun.
People or teams who violate the policy can be fined, suspended or fired, the policy said.
In October, after learning of the new policy, Flaherty wrote to Jeffrey Miller, an NFL vice president and its chief of security. Flaherty noted that some departments "require off-duty officers be able to enforce the law and to react to crimes committed in their presence," and that the "safety of officers and the public requires that the officer be armed," the suit says.
Miller wrote back Oct. 29. He said that while he had "the highest level of respect for people in law enforcement," the NFL decided football stadiums weren't safe when off-duty officers had guns.
"(T)he NFL believes the safest environment for all fans is achieved by limiting the number of firearms and weapons inside stadiums to those required by officers that perform specifically assigned law enforcement working functions and game day duties," Miller wrote.
He said on-duty officers at the games "are specially trained and required to participate in weekly meetings pertaining to pre-game day and game day security and law enforcement planning, strategy, and emergency response procedures and protocols."
Off-duty officers, he wrote, "attend games as spectators. They are unknown to working law enforcement officers. They may not have the same training and do not participate in the weekly preparation meetings."
http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_25172868/minnesota-police-group-sues-nfl-over-no-handgun
He said on-duty officers at the games "are specially trained and required to participate in weekly meetings pertaining to pre-game day and game day security and law enforcement planning, strategy, and emergency response procedures and protocols."
The article references a law the policy is in violation of. What law they are referencing?
Dave
Minnesota State Statute 624.714 Here's FAQ link regarding that statute
https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/bca-divisions/administrative/pages/permit-to-carry-faq.aspx
scroll down on that page
Can active licensed officers carry in private establishments?
Yes, active licensed peace officers, or security guards acting in the course and scope of employment, may carry firearms in private establishments.
Subd. 17.Posting; trespass.
(a) A person carrying a firearm on or about his or her person or clothes under a permit or otherwise who remains at a private establishment knowing that the operator of the establishment or its agent has made a reasonable request that firearms not be brought into the establishment may be ordered to leave the premises. A person who fails to leave when so requested is guilty of a petty misdemeanor. The fine for a first offense must not exceed $25. Notwithstanding section 609.531, a firearm carried in violation of this subdivision is not subject to forfeiture.
(b) As used in this subdivision, the terms in this paragraph have the meanings given.
(1) "Reasonable request" means a request made under the following circumstances:
(i) the requester has prominently posted a conspicuous sign at every entrance to the establishment containing the following language: "(INDICATE IDENTITY OF OPERATOR) BANS GUNS IN THESE PREMISES."; or
(ii) the requester or the requester's agent personally informs the person that guns are prohibited in the premises and demands compliance.
(2) "Prominently" means readily visible and within four feet laterally of the entrance with the bottom of the sign at a height of four to six feet above the floor.
(3) "Conspicuous" means lettering in black arial typeface at least 1-1/2 inches in height against a bright contrasting background that is at least 187 square inches in area.
(4) "Private establishment" means a building, structure, or portion thereof that is owned, leased, controlled, or operated by a nongovernmental entity for a nongovernmental purpose.
(c) The owner or operator of a private establishment may not prohibit the lawful carry or possession of firearms in a parking facility or parking area.
(d) This subdivision does not apply to private residences. The lawful possessor of a private residence may prohibit firearms, and provide notice thereof, in any lawful manner.
(e) A landlord may not restrict the lawful carry or possession of firearms by tenants or their guests.
(f) Notwithstanding any inconsistent provisions in section 609.605, this subdivision sets forth the exclusive criteria to notify a permit holder when otherwise lawful firearm possession is not allowed in a private establishment and sets forth the exclusive penalty for such activity.
(g) This subdivision does not apply to:
(1) an active licensed peace officer; or
(2) a security guard acting in the course and scope of employment.
Isn't the NFL subsidized by the federal government?
StevensMarksman
I don't think they're subsidized, but they are specifically exempt from antitrust laws.
I can imagine that most Fed LE branches mandate that their LEOs CCW 100% of their off-duty time. I know that some PDs have this as an official policy as well. Unaware but wouldn't be surprised if some state law somewhere may also require it. The db you arrested last week might well turn up where you are even if you aren't working he may want to express his displeasure about having been arrested! That's why some cops and some departments may have this policy.