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Still wondering why a regular rifle or SBR (with a can) wont do.
This^Big army is ass backwards. They just got finished ordering up a bunch of pistols no one needs, then they decide the need a PPC subgun that is like a rifle, but has the ballistics of a pistol?
Smart.
ps. I think there are a bunch of companies that are starting to design subguns around the p320 FCU. While they might save some money on magazines. It would probably be better to design an AR around the p320 mag for best ergonomics and no new training for the manual of arms.
Still wondering why a regular rifle or SBR (with a can) wont do.
Why do you think the army needs a full auto carbine in 9mm?AR Pattern 9mm SBR that accepts sig mags with a happy switch?
The originals cost $ 35.00 apiece to make.
If the Army really felt the need to go after PCCs, a 7" 300blk upper and a 30cal can for the m4s they already have would make the most sense.
Super quiet ~45ACP ballistics with subsonic, still pretty quiet ~762x39 ballistics with supersonic. Same mags, same training, same just about everything.
I think anyone would be hard pressed to surpass the MP5 in the 9mm subgun market. The gun is a dream to shoot, full auto is pretty controllable from what I remember. I never got to do mag dumps, but 3 rnd bursts were kept in the 5 ring from 15 yards out.
Why do you think the army needs a full auto carbine in 9mm?
What I'm saying is that the line units don't need this system at all.....another big waste of money like the damn sig pistol.Probably because the RFI spefically mentions select fire and 9mm. I’m not saying it’s the best option, but it’s apparently what they are asking for.
Why would you want to join a military because they are issuing a substandard combat weapon? Heavy combat and a sub gun 9mm are not compatible. My point......a sub 9mm is "maybe" something the spec ops command may need.....and they Already can buy what they want.If they hand out MP5s to REMFs, I’ll join the army.
Why would you want to join a military because they are issuing a substandard combat weapon? Heavy combat and a sub gun 9mm are not compatible. My point......a sub 9mm is "maybe" something the spec ops command may need.....and they Already can buy what they want.
Why would you want to join a military because they are issuing a substandard combat weapon? Heavy combat and a sub gun 9mm are not compatible. My point......a sub 9mm is "maybe" something the spec ops command may need.....and they Already can buy what they want.
Not even remotely.Yeah, if I were in the business of killing people with firearms, a 9mm subgun probably wouldn't even register on my list of desires.
I was there during the "blackwater" security days. Those a**h***s thought they were all that and a bag of chips with the blacked out suburbans and their mp5s. Case in point.....only the giggidy tacticool wannabes are the ones thinking a sub 9mm is something the army needs.^Agree
Specialized units can and do already have whatever weapons they need for their missions.
9mm Sub guns are generally worthless in combat. Circa 2003 the contractors in Iraq were all carrying MP5s on missions until people started shooting at them with rifles from behind cover 200 yds away. Sub Guns are good when operating in tight quarters or if you are riding in tight civilian vehicles, but 9mm is generally worthless in most combat situations.
If Big Army wants a compact rifle, I would simply suggest a M4, folding stock, SBR so they can shoot 5.56 & won't have to re-train everyone on a new guns operating system.