clancy dogg
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Proficiency tests for firearms ownership are just as constitutional as literacy tests are for voting rights.
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Another Linsky special: H.2486 all approved safety courses include live-fire training MA
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If it would be a priority task then the Switzerland or Israel model for a compulsory draft is the solution. It provides country with a functional militia capable to act when needed.
For obvious enough reasons it is not going to happen here, ever.
But to think about it, a local municipal militia under the local sheriff command would be a best source for training civilians on weapons safety and shooting skills.
And the implications of having functional local militia forces would be too obvious for liberal Marxists to never allow it.
Just recently did the CCW here in SC and was surprised there was a live fire requirement, though it was the only part of the required course I enjoyed. There was a mature woman in class who struggled mightily with it but I think she passed anyway. Yes, it seems wrong to require this to exercise a right. The plus side is they have waived the fee for licenses here so they are free of charge now.
Chevy 2 65
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Boy Am I gonna start a shit show with this one….
First things first - f*** Linsky!!! Now, f*** this ridiculous state that says you can take a 4 hour crash course and walk around packing heat. If MA gave a shit about gun safety they would never allow this.
My personal opinion is to do a LTC course that provides a live fire if you have never fired a gun before. I’m not trying to be anti 2A or shitting all over freedom but I think that would be a good idea for somebody who’s never shot before. My dad didn’t teach me to shoot, the Marines did, and spending one week snapping-in at 55 gallon drum with little dog targets all over it in the blazing hot sun f***ing sucked!
And I’ll close with f*** Linsky and everything he rights down on paper!
Response to Kevin9--in NM if you qualify with a 9mm semi, that goes on your LTC. That's all you can carry. Want to carry a revolver? New qualifying required and you pay the state for the honor. Want to carry a .40? Same thing. But if you qualify with a 45 revo and semi, you can carry any damn thing you want. No test, no fees, you're good to go.
That was my philosophy. I considered it an extra service option for my students so they wouldn't have to ever deal with the states BS in the future.
m-n-x--I had the same experience with an older woman. She couldn't pass the live fire, but with extra time to warm up, get some coaching from my wife (also and approved instructor) and get a feel for it, I let her take it again and she passed.
A requirement for instructors was to keep the qualifying targets for possible future audit. That's the one I kept.
That was my philosophy. I considered it an extra service option for my students so they wouldn't have to ever deal with the states BS in the future.
m-n-x--I had the same experience with an older woman. She couldn't pass the live fire, but with extra time to warm up, get some coaching from my wife (also and approved instructor) and get a feel for it, I let her take it again and she passed.
A requirement for instructors was to keep the qualifying targets for possible future audit. That's the one I kept.
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Agreed. Now let’s take MA and licensing out of the picture and insert everything you just listed.
A person who has never held or fired a gun before walks into a gun shop and purchases a gun and some ammo for it. What should they do next? If you say load it and throw it into a holster and walk way then more power to ya. I say they should seek out some sort of training before they start carrying, I think that’s a fairly smart thing to do if you have never shot before.
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U wanna be standing next to the guy at the range who just bought his first gun and has never even held one before?
I knew the mindless NES mob would come out with there pitch forks but not a smart guy like youAnd, while you are at it, how many screws we need to screw before we can purchase a screwdriver?
You are a romantic hothead. "Packing heat", LOL
It is your right, dummy! Don't let it go away!
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. The post had nothing to do with rights. If you have never fired a weapon before and you want to and want to purchase a gun, you should probably get some training so you don’t shoot yourself or anyone else.
Yes! Agreed 100%. That’s exactly what I mean. I had to use LTC requirements in my post cause it’s a MA issue.
LT5
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Meh. We have driver’s ed in this state and 95% can’t drive worth a rusty bleep.
Yet, if I’m at the range, it seems that the vast majority are pretty damned safe and competent. Sounds like another nit whit opining on firearms without knowing which end the round comes out of.
Training is excellent advice that nobody should have to get by law.Boy Am I gonna start a shit show with this one….
First things first - f*** Linsky!!! Now, f*** this ridiculous state that says you can take a 4 hour crash course and walk around packing heat. If MA gave a shit about gun safety they would never allow this.
My personal opinion is to do a LTC course that provides a live fire if you have never fired a gun before. I’m not trying to be anti 2A or shitting all over freedom but I think that would be a good idea for somebody who’s never shot before. My dad didn’t teach me to shoot, the Marines did, and spending one week snapping-in at 55 gallon drum with little dog targets all over it in the blazing hot sun f***ing sucked!
And I’ll close with f*** Linsky and everything he rights down on paper!
End of story.
U had that line written down didn’t you?? No way u came up with that on your own
AHM
NES Member
I gave my youngest nieces and nephew a 90-second Eddie Eagle lecture
a couple of years ago. One of my points was that the reason why
you never touch a playground gun is that there are easily over half a dozen
different families of gun actions, and they have no hope of figuring out
how to make a random gun safe or unload it without risking an ND.
At our two Mass NRA HFS courses, The Bride and I dry fired a lot of real handguns
and ran snap caps through them. But I bet we didn't fondle every kind
of action or safety; I certainly can't even list which ones we tried.
It's a lead pipe cinch that hundreds of NESers have stood next to The Guy At The Range
who just bought his first gun and has never even operated one with that action before -
even if he had live fire training.
A Guy who is a total stranger; the guest of someone else; a Guy that NESer isn't supervising.
Consider also the Olde NES Wisdome that newbs should
go to a commercial range and try renting a wide variety of guns
before buying their first gun.
I'll bet that most of the operating operators here
would tell those newbs to fire more rounds taste-testing each gun
than any licensing live-fire class burns up (on 1-maybe-2 types of guns).
So what actual problem is this Moon Island Fantasy Camp actually going to solve?
Buck F
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as @GL2020 correctly stated, in RI you only need to qualify for a carry license, not to purchase or possess.
NRA Basic Pistol is also accepted for licensing in MA and requires you complete the Level I Target proficiency which is 5 shots at 10 feet in the 4” target, unlimited tries. You can pretty much throw the bullets by hand and qualify at that range. It can be any caliber, any sights.
I believe 180 is the passing score.
Asaltweapon
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I did it in 81. Shot a 199 out of 200. 10 .38’s and 10 .22’s. 50’ full-size man silo.
Held the high score for years. Sadly I knew the guy who beat me and is no longer with us.
AHM
NES Member
Concur.
(Although clubs should be so lucky as to induct every single new gun owner in their service area).
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Both my kids got their FID based on the Hunter Ed cert., which has no live fire, and is specifically called out in the MGLs.
Of course, both had been shooting for years, and the younger one got his Instructor Cert. at 13![[laugh]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/012.gif "Laugh [laugh]")
Of course, both had been shooting for years, and the younger one got his Instructor Cert. at 13
There should be no requirement whatsoever. The irony with MA is they make you do a class to get a LTC and expect everyone to be proficient and safe with firearms because they paid a $100 and sat through the NRA’s talking points for 4 hours, It’s a joke. Because this state has a unconstitutional licensing scheme they would be better off just making the requirement to spend an hour with a competent instructor with 50 rounds and learn how to load, unload, clear a malfunction and operate the firearm properly. But, it is about personal responsibility and I think the responsible thing to do for someone who’s never fired a gun before to seek out an instructor who can teach them how to do it.
71montess
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No, just no.Boy Am I gonna start a shit show with this one….
First things first - f*** Linsky!!! Now, f*** this ridiculous state that says you can take a 4 hour crash course and walk around packing heat. If MA gave a shit about gun safety they would never allow this.
My personal opinion is to do a LTC course that provides a live fire if you have never fired a gun before. I’m not trying to be anti 2A or shitting all over freedom but I think that would be a good idea for somebody who’s never shot before. My dad didn’t teach me to shoot, the Marines did, and spending one week snapping-in at 55 gallon drum with little dog targets all over it in the blazing hot sun f***ing sucked!
And I’ll close with f*** Linsky and everything he rights down on paper!
MisterHappy
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absolutely incorrect.
NRA Home Firearms Safety and Mass Hunter Ed are both qualifiers for LTC issuance. Neither has a live fire component.
I belong to several clubs in and out of MA. I say ditch the NRA class and do a hands on instruction. Most clubs have more than enough competent ppl whether they are credentialed or not.
Once again, it’s not a freedom issue. It’s a competency issue
MA does not require it, neither does a Utah non-res, but a FL non-res does. Not a lot of difference in the classes except the live fire for FL. They can combine it into one class by just adding a few rounds of 22lr at the end.
People are not reading the entire quote. It says ANYONE who qualifies can get a gun and CARRY it in MA and that is 100% not true.
Ask the fellow members with restricted licenses
Everyone that is licensed in MA knows live fire is not a requirement
The quote is not true because not everyone can carry and MA has may issue/suitability.
It is not class--)not a felon--)carry
