clancy dogg
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Proficiency tests for firearms ownership are just as constitutional as literacy tests are for voting rights.
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If it would be a priority task then the Switzerland or Israel model for a compulsory draft is the solution. It provides country with a functional militia capable to act when needed.It's a lie of omission. Yes, technically one could own and carry a gun without ever having fired one, but in reality the process is much more involved than the statement makes it seem. For example, it leaves out the parts that one must be deemed suitable and be licensed.
Boy Am I gonna start a shit show with this one….
First things first - f*** Linsky!!! Now, f*** this ridiculous state that says you can take a 4 hour crash course and walk around packing heat. If MA gave a shit about gun safety they would never allow this.
My personal opinion is to do a LTC course that provides a live fire if you have never fired a gun before. I’m not trying to be anti 2A or shitting all over freedom but I think that would be a good idea for somebody who’s never shot before. My dad didn’t teach me to shoot, the Marines did, and spending one week snapping-in at 55 gallon drum with little dog targets all over it in the blazing hot sun f***ing sucked!
And I’ll close with f*** Linsky and everything he rights down on paper!
Agreed. Now let’s take MA and licensing out of the picture and insert everything you just listed.If a person believes any following they are anti 2A:
a course is required to get a license
training is required to get a license
the fact that you need A license to purchase firearms, ammunition, ammunition components or anything related to firearms.
government regulations, permissions, bans of any kind and all gun control laws ever created.
individual state and municipal restriction, laws, regulations and bans
restrictions on where or when one can carry
against concealed or open carry.
current bump stock or other accessory bans
current automatic weapon restrictions and licensing requirements
all forms of firearm registration or documentation
serial numbers for tracking
red flag laws
safe storage snd transportation laws
Evil feature regulations
magazine restrictions
approved firearms rosters
I’m sure there is more.
Drools on keyboard profuselyIt’s called personal responsibility. Some people have it some people don’t. Got nothing to do with gov letting us do anything. f*** them and f*** your post.
U wanna be standing next to the guy at the range who just bought his first gun and has never even held one before?Proficiency tests for firearms ownership are just as constitutional as literacy tests are for voting rights.
I knew the mindless NES mob would come out with there pitch forks but not a smart guy like you. The post had nothing to do with rights. If you have never fired a weapon before and you want to and want to purchase a gun, you should probably get some training so you don’t shoot yourself or anyone else.And, while you are at it, how many screws we need to screw before we can purchase a screwdriver?
You are a romantic hothead. "Packing heat", LOL
It is your right, dummy! Don't let it go away!
You’re not doing yourself any favors in this thread. Dig a little more.Drools on keyboard profusely
Yes! Agreed 100%. That’s exactly what I mean. I had to use LTC requirements in my post cause it’s a MA issue.I think the person should do whatever they are comfortable with doing.
I think a lot of people would seek out someone more experienced with firearms to get a good base knowledge.
But that should be their choice to seek training and not a law or a requirement.
Meh. We have driver’s ed in this state and 95% can’t drive worth a rusty bleep.MSN
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Training is excellent advice that nobody should have to get by law.Boy Am I gonna start a shit show with this one….
First things first - f*** Linsky!!! Now, f*** this ridiculous state that says you can take a 4 hour crash course and walk around packing heat. If MA gave a shit about gun safety they would never allow this.
My personal opinion is to do a LTC course that provides a live fire if you have never fired a gun before. I’m not trying to be anti 2A or shitting all over freedom but I think that would be a good idea for somebody who’s never shot before. My dad didn’t teach me to shoot, the Marines did, and spending one week snapping-in at 55 gallon drum with little dog targets all over it in the blazing hot sun f***ing sucked!
And I’ll close with f*** Linsky and everything he rights down on paper!
You’re not doing yourself any favors in this thread. Dig a little more.
U had that line written down didn’t you?? No way u came up with that on your ownYou’re not doing yourself any favors in this thread. Dig a little more.
I gave my youngest nieces and nephew a 90-second Eddie Eagle lectureU wanna be standing next to the guy at the range who just bought his first gun and has never even held one before?
It's how it goes in RI and CT, correct? In RI, you have to qualify with the 'biggest caliber' at the range for the range test and your second amendment permission card lets you have whatever guns beneath that caliber number. Lol. Go qualify with a soft shooting full sized .45ACP and then go out and buy a .44 mag yeah ok. In CT the NRA basic pistol required class usually the instructors let you plink a couple shots with a 22LR Mark II. Bam, you're officially "live fired certified" and ready to own and operate any gun.
More bureaucratic bullshit.
I can't speak to CT, but it's a little different in RI. In RI anyone with a pulse over 18 who is not disqualified under federal law can get a long gun(no FID, no tests, nothing) as long as the barrel is over 16inches. The blue card is simply to purchase a hand gun...it's not a license of any kind. It's a free test and it's really basic...a boy scout with an passing familarity of a bolt action .22 will likely pass. Takes 3-4 weeks to get the "blue card" from DEM. Unlike MA you don't need any special license to purchase/own other than a blue card to buy a hand gun. Pay...wait 7 days. Local PD has to make sure you're not disqualified...but they have very few options to deny you from just owning one. What they can do is make it miserable to carry.
The qualification (190 on an L target at 25 yards I think) is if you want to carry in public (which hopefully SCOTUS will deal with soon). The little known beauty in RI is you don't have to apply in the town you live in. So if you know in EastOverShoe is a green town you go there.
I did it in 81. Shot a 199 out of 200. 10 .38’s and 10 .22’s. 50’ full-size man silo.Wasn't live fire required at one time?...Then it stopped being a requirement?...Now it is a requirement again?
I am confused.
Concur.I think clubs could police this with zero help, requirements or laws from the state.
There should be no requirement whatsoever. The irony with MA is they make you do a class to get a LTC and expect everyone to be proficient and safe with firearms because they paid a $100 and sat through the NRA’s talking points for 4 hours, It’s a joke. Because this state has a unconstitutional licensing scheme they would be better off just making the requirement to spend an hour with a competent instructor with 50 rounds and learn how to load, unload, clear a malfunction and operate the firearm properly. But, it is about personal responsibility and I think the responsible thing to do for someone who’s never fired a gun before to seek out an instructor who can teach them how to do it.Well, you seemed to mention that you thought it was ridiculous to think the state requirement of a 4 hour class could qualify someone to be allowed to walk around packing heat.
to me that read as if you think there should be a more stringent state requirement to obtain an LTC.
If I misinterpreted your statement I apologize.
No, just no.Boy Am I gonna start a shit show with this one….
First things first - f*** Linsky!!! Now, f*** this ridiculous state that says you can take a 4 hour crash course and walk around packing heat. If MA gave a shit about gun safety they would never allow this.
My personal opinion is to do a LTC course that provides a live fire if you have never fired a gun before. I’m not trying to be anti 2A or shitting all over freedom but I think that would be a good idea for somebody who’s never shot before. My dad didn’t teach me to shoot, the Marines did, and spending one week snapping-in at 55 gallon drum with little dog targets all over it in the blazing hot sun f***ing sucked!
And I’ll close with f*** Linsky and everything he rights down on paper!
absolutely incorrect.It turns out that, if you haven’t been diagnosed with a mental illness, and if you’re not a felon or a drug abuser, you can buy a gun in Massachusetts and carry it around with you, concealed on your person, without having fired that gun or any other gun. Ever.
This is a lie
U wanna be standing next to the guy at the range who just bought his first gun and has never even held one before?
I belong to several clubs in and out of MA. I say ditch the NRA class and do a hands on instruction. Most clubs have more than enough competent ppl whether they are credentialed or not.not sure about the club(s) you belong to.
My club offers a safety orientation for all new members and if there were no more LTC or training requirement to own a firearm I am sure most clubs would adapt their new member orientation to include some hands on firearm safety instruction or at least a member demonstration of firearm safety.
But that would be up to the club and its membership to determine what level of familiarity they want their new members to commit to before allowing them to use the ranges.
I joined Holbrook a thousand years ago. Was only there for a year or two. They required new members at that time to take their NRA safety course before you were allowed to use their ranges.
I think clubs could police this with zero help, requirements or laws from the state.
Once again, it’s not a freedom issue. It’s a competency issueIf that’s what comes along with freedom, then yes.
MA does not require it, neither does a Utah non-res, but a FL non-res does. Not a lot of difference in the classes except the live fire for FL. They can combine it into one class by just adding a few rounds of 22lr at the end.No. I don't agree mandatory training including live fire should be a requirement. I'm just saying that in more than NO cases, the requirement did what it was actually intended to. Nothing more. nothing less.
People are not reading the entire quote. It says ANYONE who qualifies can get a gun and CARRY it in MA and that is 100% not true.absolutely incorrect.
NRA Home Firearms Safety and Mass Hunter Ed are both qualifiers for LTC issuance. Neither has a live fire component.