2023 MA Gun Ban: AR-15 Transfers Allowed After Registration?

[kalash]

If you are ever caught with an unregistered AR you'll lose everything. LTC, gun rights, and all your guns.

If I get caught with an unregistered gun - I'll lose my LTC.

I'm gonna need a source for that because that's not what the law says.

 

[SavageShooter]

In a real crime crime??? Probably never.

Only one case that I am aware of. The MB supermarket at the Loop in Methuen got robbed by two guys with AR type rifles many years ago. Nobody got hurt.

 

[SgtHal75]

Under the pending law - once a AR-15 is registered - can it be transferred?

A little problem developed in CT.

Nobody registered back in 2013.

CT law now required registration for amnesty. If you try to register the guns from back in 2013 - you are committing a felony.

What is the best plan of action for Massachusetts gun owners to avoid that mistake?

I think since folks are worried about eventual confiscation after registration that they will hedge their bets and keep some AR's off the books.

Buy and hold strategy is the best

 

[Spartan65]

How many more threads are you going to start about this sh*t?

He would stop if you buy a chainsaw lower from him for $1500.

 

[mikeboston]

He would stop if you buy a chainsaw lower from him for $1500.

They are now $2k

 

[HuntMaine]

I'm hoping an invoice would be good enough to prove I had a lower before the ban.

Right now, you can't eFA10 a stripped lower.

If they expect people to register lowers - a website needs to be created to collect all this data.

Then after the ban, you'll have to register the complete rifle - but specify that it was from a lower that was owned before the ban.

Tread carefully.

If you are ever caught with an unregistered AR you'll lose everything. LTC, gun rights, and all your guns.

If you choose to register before the ban...

You'll be on a public database and targeted for burglary.

The state will likely eventually confiscate.


Having an unregistered AR that only sits in your safe never to see the light of day is not much fun

So what happens to a mass resident who decides just to move his firearms to Florida. Under the pending bill it appears he is ok because the ar is not in Mass despite him being a resident still in Mass?

 

[LakeTrout]

SCOTUS effects us all
If it is flipped you will see a nationwide AWB followed by a Canadian model disarminanent program within 10 years.
And I'd say the couple of thousand active pro2a advocates have actually done a lot in Mass. Just not enough to do more than slow the losses to a crawl.

I believe it will be flipped. This will be their retaliation for Roe Vs. Wade. And I do think we will see disarmament. What I don’t see happening is anyone resisting. Some will hide their stuff and not turn it in. But watering the liberty tree, as I understand it to mean, is not something that will happen. Again, people in MA live under that tyranny right now and aren’t doing that. The only people who are motivated to take things to that level are people on the left. They go out and burn shit down when they don’t get their way or they believe their rights are being infringed on.

 

[Springfield_trapdoor]

I believe it will be flipped. This will be their retaliation for Roe Vs. Wade. And I do think we will see disarmament. What I don’t see happening is anyone resisting. Some will hide their stuff and not turn it in. But watering the liberty tree, as I understand it to mean, is not something that will happen. Again, people in MA live under that tyranny right now and aren’t doing that. The only people who are motivated to take things to that level are people on the left. They go out and burn shit down when they don’t get their way or they believe their rights are being infringed on.

Most empires last 250 years we are almost there and the current installed president has arrested his political opponent. Not looking good for this country to actually hold on.

 

[EJFudd]

I believe it will be flipped. This will be their retaliation for Roe Vs. Wade. And I do think we will see disarmament. What I don’t see happening is anyone resisting. Some will hide their stuff and not turn it in. But watering the liberty tree, as I understand it to mean, is not something that will happen. Again, people in MA live under that tyranny right now and aren’t doing that. The only people who are motivated to take things to that level are people on the left. They go out and burn shit down when they don’t get their way or they believe their rights are being infringed on.

All true. I just hope that I'm dead and gone before the Godforsaken DimocRATS gain full control of SCOTUS, redefine 2A to be a "collective state right"... and a general confiscation of all legally-held firearms begins. And yes, it is coming someday... maybe under future President Newsom who, of course, will get in by massive cheating and millions of illegals voting. And you are right that violent resistance will only be spotty and the Deep State will crush it like maggot with whatever it takes. It is essential, after all, to them being able to take full Socialist Dictatorship-like control of the country.

In regard to Massachusetts, we aren't quite there yet. Close, but no cigar. Yes, it is bad... very bad... but it's going to get a whole lot worse. Like the Demanding Moms said... this current insane bill is just a "good first step." We will soon look back on these days as the "good old days" of Massachusetts gun rights.

 

[LakeTrout]

Most empires last 250 years we are almost there and the current installed president has arrested his political opponent. Not looking good for this country to actually hold on.

I agree. I think this country is over and done with. We’re in for some really bad times. We will be like Russia pretty soon.

 

[Tartakovsky]

How many more threads are you going to start about this sh*t?

He has ulterior motives. However many threads it takes for him to peddle those $1500 $2000 Chainsaw lowers….

 

[mikeboston]

I’ll trade. One noveske lower for a can of olive oil

 

[zork51]

The Irony is Donald Sutherland has socialist values as does his whole family. Big letdown after being such a fan of so many who play "All American" macho roles only to find this out.........................Seeing him or "Jack Bauer" now is just a big letdown. Then there's Arnold "SCREW YOUR FREEDOMS!".

 

[Mesatchornug]

The Irony is Donald Sutherland has socialist values as does his whole family. Big letdown after being such a fan of so many who play "All American" macho roles only to find this out.........................Seeing him or "Jack Bauer" now is just a big letdown. Then there's Arnold "SCREW YOUR FREEDOMS!".

I've never really understood celebrity.

Art reflects our fears and desires. Artists aren't presenting themselves on stage/screen; if they were, we'd get bored quickly. Suspension of disbelief only extends as far as my seat in the theater.

I think it's @tuna who likes to remind us - they're paid to play make-believe. We can be grateful for their skill at that without imagining that's who they are at home.

Except Audie Murphy...

 

[SavageShooter]

Fine, I register them but keep them out of state.

That way when I get raided they wont get them and I wont have to say where they are since I can legally store them out of state.

Not to mention about 30 lowers that are buried in the ground in 4 different states.

Why bother registering them if you plan to keep them out of state? Would invite questions and accusations from LE if you ever get raided. As for the buried lowers, wouldn't it make more sense to bury the entire rifles and plenty of ammo and mags? If raided, do you really think LE will allow you to keep the uppers? No, they will take everything, even your FUDD guns, after they revoke your LTC on the spot and cut open your safe. You will probably be explaining why the lowers are missing to a judge in court. Better off getting all of it out of state to your underground cache site. If LE doesn't know it exists, they cannot grab it.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

I'm gonna need a source for that because that's not what the law says.

Expect answers like:

- It only stands to reason
- Someone in authority told me
- I'd like to see you volunteer to be the test case

But no cite to law or court decision.

Same set of answers you get when people are challenged on the claim an LTC self-revokes when you move out of the DPRM.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

Why bother registering them if you plan to keep them out of state? Would invite questions and accusations from LE if you ever get raided. As for the buried lowers, wouldn't it make more sense to bury the entire rifles and plenty of ammo and mags? If raided, do you really think LE will allow you to keep the uppers? No, they will take everything, even your FUDD guns, after they revoke your LTC on the spot and cut open your safe. You will probably be explaining why the lowers are missing to a judge in court. Better off getting all of it out of state to your underground cache site. If LE doesn't know it exists, they cannot grab it.

A confiscation order is not a search warrant, though some PDs think it is. You are obligated to surrender the guns, not let the police in for a search.

 

[kalash]

A confiscation order is not a search warrant, though some PDs think it is. You are obligated to surrender the guns, not let the police in for a search.

Presumably they show up with a list of FA10 filings under the accused's name, right? What happens when they ask, for example, about guns that you sold, since, as we know, those still show up under your name in the system?

 

[tuna]

I've never really understood celebrity.

Art reflects our fears and desires. Artists aren't presenting themselves on stage/screen; if they were, we'd get bored quickly. Suspension of disbelief only extends as far as my seat in the theater.

I think it's @tuna who likes to remind us - they're paid to play make-believe. We can be grateful for their skill at that without imagining that's who they are at home.

Except Audie Murphy...

Ernest Borgnine, Lee Marvin and a few others are in the same club as Audie Murphy. But most are just pretenders. If you hold your boycott too strongly you’ll never get to enjoy another movie.

Then again, most movies today suck anyway. Lol

 

[Mesatchornug]

Ernest Borgnine, Lee Marvin and a few others are in the same club as Audie Murphy. But most are just pretenders. If you hold your boycott too strongly you’ll never get to enjoy another movie.

Then again, most movies today suck anyway. Lol

Too true. How could I forget Sir Christopher Lee (CBE CStJ) - Nazi Hunter turned actor and metalhead?

 

[SavageShooter]

A confiscation order is not a search warrant, though some PDs think it is. You are obligated to surrender the guns, not let the police in for a search.

You never know how fast things can proceed. If LE thinks you are holding out on them, they can post a couple of uniformed officers outside your door while a detective beelines it to court to get a search warrant. There is always at least one judge on call, even after the close of court business hours. You might delay LE for a while, but you sure won't stop them if they are that determined.

 

[EJFudd]

You never know how fast things can proceed. If LE thinks you are holding out on them, they can post a couple of uniformed officers outside your door while a detective beelines it to court to get a search warrant. There is always at least one judge on call, even after the close of court business hours. You might delay LE for a while, but you sure won't stop them if they are that determined.

This new "life as a newly-minted Massachusetts gun felon" thing is starting to sound like less fun than I expected. In fact, a lot less fun.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

You never know how fast things can proceed. If LE thinks you are holding out on them, they can post a couple of uniformed officers outside your door while a detective beelines it to court to get a search warrant. There is always at least one judge on call, even after the close of court business hours. You might delay LE for a while, but you sure won't stop them if they are that determined.

Yup. My procedure would be to inform them that I would cooperate, and bring cased and unloaded guns to my door but was not granting permission to enter. I would also tell them that it was going to take a while, particularly packing up all my high cap pre-ban magazines.

If they wanted all my reloading components (particularly brass, of which I have a lot) as it is legally ammo in MA, I would ask if they preferred to send out another vehicle or make multiple trips.

I'm not suggesting playing any cute games to circumvent a confiscation order (playing it by the book is the only way to have a chance to eventually get your guns back or into friendly hands); just not grant consent for them to enter or search my house. If they did, my concentration would be on documenting my lack of consent and request for a warrant, not physical resistance.

Be polite, non belligerent, and have a video-audio recording of the encounter.

 

[chris_1001]

Bring a u-haul and some strong cops

 

[pastera]

I'm gonna need a source for that because that's not what the law says.

H.4139

525 (e) Whoever fails to register a firearm in violation of subsection (a), or fails to report a
526 transaction, loss or theft in violation of subsections (b) or (c) shall be punished as follows: (i) by
527 a fine of not more than $1,000 for a first offense; (ii) by a fine of not more than $7,500 or
528 imprisonment up to 6 months, or by both such fine and imprisonment, for a second offense; or
529 (iii) by a fine of not more than $10,000 or imprisonment for not less than 1 year nor more than 5
530 years, or by both such fine and imprisonment, for a third or subsequent offense. Failure to report
531 shall also be a cause for suspension or permanent revocation of a person’s license or permit.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

Does the proposed law close the "new residents do not need to register existing guns" provision for non-AW's?

 

[chris_1001]

H.4139

What if I moved them out of state? (Serious question)

 

[pastera]

Does the proposed law close the "new residents do not need to register existing guns" provision for non-AW's?

498 (2) Firearm registration shall be completed at the time of firearm import, purchase, acquisition, manufacture or assembly; provided, however, that a firearm may be: (i) registered within 60 days if imported by a new resident of the commonwealth; (ii) registered within 7 days if imported by a licensed dealer, gunsmith, distributor or manufacturer; (iii) registered within 60 days if acquired by an heir or devisee through distribution of an estate; or (iv) registered within 7 days if manufactured or assembled as a privately-made firearm.

 

[pastera]

What if I moved them out of state? (Serious question)

No problem - however, if they are registered then you move them out then who knows given regulations need to be written.
But if they show up on your doorstep looking for your guns, you are going to jail anyhow

484 Section 122. (a)(1) The department of criminal justice information services shall develop and maintain a real time electronic firearms registration system. All firearms possessed, manufactured or assembled in the commonwealth shall be registered in accordance with this section.

 

[chris_1001]

No problem - however, if they are registered then you move them out then who knows given regulations need to be written.
But if they show up on your doorstep looking for your guns, you are going to jail anyhow

The original bill gave me the option of removing them (specifically “assault weapons” [sic]) from the state. So was not sure how that will fly with the new bill