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Oleg aka Alex
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I agree with what you're saying about Mass gun shops although Northeast Arms in Peabody has the full range of AR parts you mentioned. Best selection I've seen in a store.
Mass gun shops BLOW, and the reason is because of prices and selection. Granted handguns are limited to "the list" but there is a plethora of rifle brands and parts on the market that never see a mass gun shop, its ridiculous.
For crying out loud, people start threads looking for lower receivers, that's friggin pathetic.
Maybe if a shop would actually stock enough parts to build a damn rifle they may see more business. Its sad, I cant even hop in my truck on a whim, on a Saturday, and find a shop that stocked enough parts to build a damn Ar-15, (Americas most popular Sporting rifle), if i did find a shop that had any parts, they would have one on the shelf with 5 inches of dust on it, why?, cuz its way over priced, and its over priced cuz there is only one....
These shops have the bare minimum for selection, selection and price is key if u want business.
What shop in this sad state has a GOOD selection of bolt carrier groups, triggers, hand-guards, lowers uppers, stocks, Muzzle devices etc etc?.....NONE. For God sakes...
Good luck selling a "large volume" of Tier 1 product in MA. Good luck doing that, while making a profit. There are too many skinflints in this state to buy volume of Tier 1 product. That said depending on the crowd that visits your shop, you can probably move some of it. For example four seasons never seems to have any problem moving the LMTs they get in and out of the shop pretty rapidly, but their customer base is probably exponentially larger than most other shops inI cant even buy a Colt 6920, or a BCM etc etc... without driving 50 or 100 miles, and then get butt raped on price. There is absolutely no reason it should cost me $300+ dollars more because i live in mass... Yes i know it cost money to massify a gun... well maybe if they didn't charge so much for a massified gun you would sell more of them and still make a profit, its called volume.
For crying out loud, u cant sell a box of Golden Sabers for nearly $40 and expect to get business, not happening, and it didn't cost the dealer any where near that price to justify the mark up, no way no how.... its called greed.
Look how much money is spent in group buys on this website where the money goes out of state, it should be the exact opposite, im sorry but the gun shops here do it to themselves, they whine and cry about the AG blah blah blah... when it has nothing to do with them. There is plenty of product on the market to make profit on, u just have to make it worth someones trouble to get them to go for a drive.
Then i hear this folk tale firearm BS... " ooh thats tuff to find in mass, oooh ooooh" ...Please!!! The reason its tuff is because no one stocks the damn thing, and there is no reason not to, its just a BS story to charge a higher price... it's a crock of ****.
Mass gun shops are filled with miserable old fudd salesman, who are probably miserable due to lack of business. Mean while the shelves are empty, or covered in dusty old crappy parts, with over priced ammo and guns behind them and in the glass cases.
We need some fresh young blood shop owners that know whats on the market, who know how to stock a store, then sell at the right price. If u do that, u'll see plenty of business, happier customers and happier less miserable gun shop owners.
Yeah cause some people don't want to **** around with inbounding one, they just want to run out and buy one. Not sure what's so "pathetic" about
that.
Then again you're not the guy who should be talking about "driving somewhere", considering you wouldn't even go to NH to buy ammo from one of the most aggressive discounters in like a 200 mile radius, so you shouldn't be talking to people about "driving somewhere on a whim." then bitching about prices.
Good luck selling a "large volume" of Tier 1 product in MA. Good luck doing that, while making a profit. There are too many skinflints in this state to buy volume of Tier 1 product. That said depending on the crowd that visits your shop, you can probably move some of it. For example four seasons never seems to have any problem moving the LMTs they get in and out of the shop pretty rapidly, but their customer base is probably exponentially larger than most other shops in
MA.
Most of the crap that gets sold in GBs around here is stuff that most gun shops can't justify carrying, or even if they can, they're not going to make money on it selling it at the GB price. NES's population is not completely analogous to the population of people buying stuff at gun shops, either. Like say for example we had a Trijicon RMR group buy where everyone gets an RMR at 100 bucks off the normal price. Even if a local gun shop gets a similar deal, lets say, at $75 bucks off, and he buys like 10 of the things to have in inventory, he's still going to have like 6 or 7 of the ****ing things on his shelf probably a year later because from the perspective of an LGS, that's still a niche product.
No, there is a reason not too, and that's because in a lot of cases joe fungohead won't buy it because he's a skinflint *******. This state is loaded with ****ing
skinflints. I otherwise agree with you though, lots of shops make dumb excuses for that stuff, though, rather than just saying "We don't sell those because we end up losing money trying to sell them" or some other realistic excuse.
All I want to know is, who is Joe Fungohead?
Me too. I'm guessing he some guy who went "full retard" in some kinda shitshow.
True, but there are also plenty of smart buyers that arent afraid if spending some money, IF the price is reasonable. The issue is, they have a hard time openning their wallet cause a gunshop owner decides the price needs to be higher because i live behind the iron curtain, which is still no excuse.
For example, I paid $2700 for my SCAR 17 in NH, in this state it would cost me EASILY way over 3k, WHY? why can a tiny little shop in NH sell the same gun for atleat $4-500 less and still make a profit? It's horseshit....the mass gunshop owner is greedy and they use fantasy land BS folklore to justify marking it up. Sorry, u can call me a skin flint all u want but i'm not dumb enough to pay that much of a premium for NO reason.
You love to eat your own in Massachusetts. Sometimes I think you are your own worst enemy. I've lived all over the country. I've never seen people complain about gun shops so much.
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what is the reasoning to label people cheapskates or skinflints? is it fashionable to pay more? if people were sacrificing quality, reliability, craftsmanship, etc just to get a bargain, then sure; they are cheap. however if it's the exact same product, why pay more? the convenience of putting it in the safe a week sooner?... and the gun buying community as a whole are a bunch of cheapskates.
You love to eat your own in Massachusetts. Sometimes I think you are your own worst enemy. I've lived all over the country. I've never seen people complain about gun shops so much.
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Have you given consideration to what the cost of doing business in this state is? Average retail space, taxes, average wages for employees vs other locations in both this state and NH / ME. Considering much of the firearms markup is at best, 20%, and the amount of capitol required to stock inventory people may or may not be interested in in 5 minutes it's an often tough environment when many consumers, like yourself, will likely just go online anyway.... Given a level playing field of dealer size, volume discount and stocking, in mass the dealer is already at best, at a 6.25% disadvantage
Also, look at your average customer that actually spends money in a local store. Your not it. New shooters, people looking for advice or intrinsical value that a brick and mortar store bring are going to be return customers, and on average they are. To looking for what you are. For the dealer cost of a SCAR, you could stock 10 M&P shields, items new shooters are looking for. In return you'll make $70 bucks a pice and sell out in a few months, all while the scar collects dust because it's the wrong color, or some skinflint can save $125 buying it online. Even at $3000, your not going to see the same return on your initial inventory investment for what you have into at dealer cost.
While I could keep going, it's seems most of your comments are completely lacking any basis in the reality of both running a small business and running a firearms based business in Mass. I also find it rather comical that someone that's lists themselves as part of a union is upset at the possiblity of localized price fixing or inflated rates. In the end, stores will continue to leave or go under for two reasons. The laws here suck and the gun buying community as a whole are a bunch of cheapskates.
what is the reasoning to label people cheapskates or skinflints? is it fashionable to pay more? if people were sacrificing quality, reliability, craftsmanship, etc just to get a bargain, then sure; they are cheap. however if it's the exact same product, why pay more? the convenience of putting it in the safe a week sooner?
what is the reasoning to label people cheapskates or skinflints? is it fashionable to pay more? if people were sacrificing quality, reliability, craftsmanship, etc just to get a bargain, then sure; they are cheap. however if it's the exact same product, why pay more? the convenience of putting it in the safe a week sooner?
Is it wise to put actual brick and mortar stores out of business to save 15%? Yes, that is cheapskate. Yes, I'm guilty of it too.
Why pay more? Becuase I'm supporting a business I believe in, that employes people I believe in, that is there when I need it and offers value beyond "savings". This goes well beyond gun dealers.... And yes, it is the definition of cheapskate. The modern day consumer has gutted the service and sales of local business for the promise of a few percentage point off. The long term ramifications are severe.
How many threads are there on NES about stupid gun shop employees? Yet how many threads are there where people mention beating up a dealer for an extra 5% off? How many threads are on NES for group buys circumventing dealers to save $20 on a product.... All these things are fine, and as I said, guilty as charged, bit they all have ramifications.
Sorry but I don't believe in any business that tries to mark up a price just because I live behind enemy lines. And I'm not talking about small Mark ups, I'm talking about ridiculous mark ups, like 3 or $400 markups on certain firearms. When I see that crap it makes me not want to spend money there. I'm a smart shopper, not a dumb shopper, smart shopping doesn't make me a cheapskate. Guys who go in and splurge on a 20 yr old glock are dumb shoppers.
We are all in this together, so let's fight together, not use ridiculous mass BS against eachother.
I just love this,some of you people are crying because the FFL dealer is making a few bucks of you,but you go to a BAR,and pay for one beer what you could have picked up a six pack for.Go to a ball game,and pay five to six times more than what the food is worth.Not to forget next time you take your wife to the jewelry store,and buy your wife that lovely ring for $500 and they tell you it's a great deal.Well it was a great deal for them,they most likely only paid $75.
Ya, my point is, you cant just run out to any shop and grab a lower receiver, you have to start a damn thread to find one, that's pathetic.
You really believe that? You'd be surprised what some shops in other parts of the country charge. Friend of mine lived in southern FL for awhile and he bought all his guns online and all his ammo online because the pricing sucked. Walmart was the only place with cheap ammo. This "problem" isn't an MA only thing.HAHAH, The point is i shouldnt have to drive all over creation to get what the rest of America pays for ammo.
Damn right im not driving 3-4 hrs round trip to save $.50 on a box of 5.56. So i saved $25 for a 1k rounds, now i have to buy a Prius to get my gas money back.....AND.. that's if the miserable fudd even decides to sell me the ammo, and if he decides to even sell it to me (mass resident) he's gonna limit the quantity. No thanx, i have better things to do then drive 3 hrs for 1k rds of ammo. Plenty of "aggressively priced" ammo online.
Pricing wise Colt and BCM are hardly tier1, as far as price goes they are at the lower to mid range in pricing for AR's.
FS sells LMT's like hot cakes cause nobody else has them, so people will naturally pay. Another point i made was, if shops actually had a selection there might be enough competition to drive prices down.
RMR's cost between $4-$600, But 90% of the group buys are items of much less money, items that should be a dime a dozen when i take a quick spin to the local gunshop. I dont see a high demand on RMR's for any local dealer, that i agree with, like i said thats due to the price, and its a much more specific item.
True, but there are also plenty of smart buyers that arent afraid if spending some money, IF the price is reasonable. The issue is, they have a hard time openning their wallet cause a gunshop owner decides the price needs to be higher because i live behind the iron curtain, which is still no excuse.
For example, I paid $2700 for my SCAR 17 in NH, in this state it would cost me EASILY way over 3k, WHY? why can a tiny little shop in NH sell the same gun for atleat $4-500 less and still make a profit? It's horseshit....the mass gunshop owner is greedy and they use fantasy land BS folklore to justify marking it up. Sorry, u can call me a skin flint all u want but i'm not dumb enough to pay that much of a premium for NO reason.
Is it wise to put actual brick and mortar stores out of business to save 15%? Yes, that is cheapskate. Yes, I'm guilty of it too.
Why pay more? Becuase I'm supporting a business I believe in, that employes people I believe in, that is there when I need it and offers value beyond "savings". This goes well beyond gun dealers.... And yes, it is the definition of cheapskate. The modern day consumer has gutted the service and sales of local business for the promise of a few percentage point off. The long term ramifications are severe.
How many threads are there on NES about stupid gun shop employees? Yet how many threads are there where people mention beating up a dealer for an extra 5% off? How many threads are on NES for group buys circumventing dealers to save $20 on a product.... All these things are fine, and as I said, guilty as charged, bit they all have ramifications.
Have you given consideration to what the cost of doing business in this state is? Average retail space, taxes, average wages for employees vs other locations in both this state and NH / ME. Considering much of the firearms markup is at best, 20%, and the amount of capitol required to stock inventory people may or may not be interested in in 5 minutes it's an often tough environment when many consumers, like yourself, will likely just go online anyway.... Given a level playing field of dealer size, volume discount and stocking, in mass the dealer is already at best, at a 6.25% disadvantage
Also, look at your average customer that actually spends money in a local store. Your not it. New shooters, people looking for advice or intrinsical value that a brick and mortar store bring are going to be return customers, and on average they are. To looking for what you are. For the dealer cost of a SCAR, you could stock 10 M&P shields, items new shooters are looking for. In return you'll make $70 bucks a pice and sell out in a few months, all while the scar collects dust because it's the wrong color, or some skinflint can save $125 buying it online. Even at $3000, your not going to see the same return on your initial inventory investment for what you have into at dealer cost.
While I could keep going, it's seems most of your comments are completely lacking any basis in the reality of both running a small business and running a firearms based business in Mass. I also find it rather comical that someone that's lists themselves as part of a union is upset at the possiblity of localized price fixing or inflated rates. In the end, stores will continue to leave or go under for two reasons. The laws here suck and the gun buying community as a whole are a bunch of cheapskates.
The other problem is mid level distributors. These people interfere with the profit margin between the factory and the consumer. This is why some product on midway is cheaper than at the local gun shop, because midway isn't buying shit from a mid level oxygen thief.
The gun shops with the best prices, nearly always are doing everything in their power to NOT have to buy anything from those ****ing *******s. This unfortunately takes a lot of cash lying around to pull off...
-Mike
The other problem is mid level distributors. These people interfere with the profit margin between the factory and the consumer. This is why some product on midway is cheaper than at the local gun shop, because midway isn't buying shit from a mid level oxygen thief.
The gun shops with the best prices, nearly always are doing everything in their power to NOT have to buy anything from those ****ing *******s. This unfortunately takes a lot of cash lying around to pull off...
-Mike