Yea, so this shows up on FB, yikes

Where are they getting this Australia and England suddenly becoming a paradise crap?
The crime rates are through the roof ,and the last time I checked in the states it wasn't common to have people getting their f*cking heads chopped off in the middle of the street by radical muslims.
 
Where are they getting this Australia and England suddenly becoming a paradise crap?
The crime rates are through the roof ,and the last time I checked in the states it wasn't common to have people getting their f*cking heads chopped off in the middle of the street by radical muslims.

Its called propaganda. All they seem to mention/care about is "GUN Violence". If you teenage daughter gets raped and murdered it's ok if it was with a knife.

Since Australia banned semiautomatic rifles, shotguns and pump action shotguns the gun crime rates have skyrocketed throughout the country.
Murders committed with guns increased by 19%.
Home invasions increased by 21%.
Assaults committed with guns increased by 28%.
Armed robberies skyrocketed with an increase of 69%.

Read more at http://godfatherpolitics.com/8975/a...her-gun-crimes-not-lower/#yp6tqHfub7byurKW.99

But they haven't had any "mass shootings". Thank god for big govt and gun control.

As for England...

http://www.examiner.com/article/aft...un-banners-think-british-laws-would-work-here
 
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Wife and I have a co-worker friend that moved to Australia. Since their awesome new laws went into place, the only people that have guns are the gangs that smuggle them into the country, terrorize the elderly and disable, and could care less about the tougher laws. Go ahead move to Australia if it is SO much better than living here.
 
Furthermore, since the d-bag that wrote this mis-guided propaganda is soooo willing to give up his rights and volunteer my rights up too, I vote that he should stop posting crap on the internet.

He doesn't need to say whatever he thinks when he thinks it. My family might get killed by intruders if his spewing of BS nonsense leads to me having to give up my guns. Therefore his 1A rights are compromising my safety!!!

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Also find it funny how he mentioned Australia not having a mass shooting RIGHT after the POTUS spewed the EXACT same crap a few short days ago!!

Sounds like TALKING POINTS! PROPAGANDA!
 
Wife and I have a co-worker friend that moved to Australia. Since their awesome new laws went into place, the only people that have guns are the gangs that smuggle them into the country, terrorize the elderly and disable, and could care less about the tougher laws. Go ahead move to Australia if it is SO much better than living here.

more guns in Australia now than before they did their massive buy back
 
Will all due respect if you had read the "wall of text" you would know. I'm pretty certain that this guy will be given a voice that the rest of us are not.
I hope the original was better formatted?

One sentence stands out to me " In Israel, people outside the army who want to own a gun have to take a training, and if they pass, are allowed to buy a once-only, lifetime supply of 50 bullets.". This claim is usually attributed to "Yakov Amit, head of the Firearm Licensing Department at the Ministry of Public Security (MOPS)".
 
What really pisses me off is the whole "we have to do something" mentality. JFC.

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I was able to view the post. Here it is with the original formatting.

There is so much I want to say to this guy but I am sure my post would be gone in a matter of minutes.

Today I endured the nightmare I had feared for the past fourteen years, since I started teaching public school – a school shooting. I guess in some ways I’m lucky, or dodged a bullet, since I was never near the shooter, got home safely and didn’t even know the student who was shot and killed.

It was absolutely terrifying to sit in my classroom, on the floor, in the dark, with a group of 40 or so students crammed into the corner against the wall, silently reflecting that all four walls of the room are made of some kind of flexible bulletin-board material (great for hanging posters, but I’m sure any bullet that exists could go through easily), and thinking of my wife and child at home. The lockdown lasted for close to an hour, before we were evacuated by police in riot gear. All of us had to walk out with our hands up and get patted down, twice. All backpacks and bags were confiscated. I spent the rest of the day feeling alternately sad, worried, scared and confused, wanting to know what was really happening.

But, now that I’ve had time to process my thoughts and feelings, I want to be clear about what my reaction to today is going to be.

I don’t blame this on a mentally unhinged youth, although that might be what it was, or on lax security, or even on society’s general decline. This was a case, like all the other recent school shootings, of gun violence due to lax gun regulation, and the proliferation of military assault weapons in the hands of everyday citizens.

I’m sick and tired of hearing gun enthusiasts claim that any kind of gun regulation is an attack on the second amendment, or that the solution to gun violence is more guns. I completely fail to understand how one organization, which is the lobbying arm of one industry, can control every politician in Congress to the extent of preventing any action at all on gun control, even after polls show that 90% of Americans are in favor of it.

But every time another shooting happens, and undoubtedly this will be no exception, people (including me and my family and friends) sigh, groan, bemoan the incident, talk about how awful it is, criticize the NRA and its lopsided influence, and then do…nothing. The only constituency that responds with any energy to incidents of gun violence is gun enthusiasts, who declare that it just provides more proof of their hypothesis that schools need to be staffed with U.S. Marshalls and teachers need to be armed and carry loaded weapons. Rather than stricter gun regulation, we get weakening of the existing regulation, and states literally pushing each other out of the way to be the most liberal when it comes to who can carry weapons into how many different venues, including churches, schools and even bars. Everybody laughs about it on late night TV, and then goes back to their business.

In Australia there was one school shooting, in 2002. Immediately afterward, the conservative government enacted strict gun control. There hasn’t been another one since. In Israel, people outside the army who want to own a gun have to take a training, and if they pass, are allowed to buy a once-only, lifetime supply of 50 bullets. I don’t have other statistics to reel off, but I do know that nowhere else in the world, let alone a wealthy country, are there shootings committed with the frequency of the U.S.

Why can’t the U.S. have more gun control? Apparently we have some now, but it obviously isn’t enough when any individual who wants one and can get the cash together can buy any gun that exists.

Here’s my proposed gun regulation:

To buy a gun, you need 3 letters of recommendation: One from a family member, one from a friend, and one from a co-worker. If your family doesn’t trust you, you have no friends, and your co-workers don’t know you well enough to trust you, then you shouldn’t be able to own a gun.

I also think prospective gun owners should have to undergo a rigorous gun-safety training, submit to a background check, and meet an age limit, but I’m not an idealist. I think the above is something that every common sense person should be able to agree with. I’m not a lawyer or politician, so I’m sure my idea will be mocked for its naiveté, criticized for its lack of practicality when not even much weaker rules can get a hearing in Congress, and ignored in any case, since no one takes gun control seriously in America.

However, I intend tomorrow to begin contacting my representatives in government. I’m going to ask them to sign on to a pledge called the “No Gun Pledge.” Like the no tax pledge that all the conservatives sign on to, this pledge would say: “I will never vote for any legislation that relaxes or weakens gun regulations, or increases access to guns, or makes it easier to bring military assault-style weapons to market.”

Politicians who are already on record in favor of gun control would have nothing to lose by signing on to such a pledge. Although it might sound silly, it could be a rallying tool and perhaps inspire a little political courage.

I can’t sit around anymore and do nothing. I encourage anyone reading this to take action also. Politicians say all the time that they get far more calls from their pro-gun constituents than the other 90% of us. Nothing will change without a massive, concerted uprising from us, the people.

Not too many years ago, big tobacco was a political third rail, like the NRA is today. But they were brought down by a nationwide effort, endless lawsuits and ultimately the intervention of Congress, spurred by relentless public pressure. People can still smoke cigarettes. They are expensive, everybody knows they’re bad for you, and you can’t smoke wherever you want. Smokers have to stand outside when it’s cold and endure the glares of others when they stand too close to a public doorway or litter their butts on the ground. But no Constitutional rights have been infringed, and the tobacco companies still make huge profits.

Isn’t it time to put the NRA in its place? If not now, when?
 
I stopped reading after this.
Let's blame the tool, not the criminal using the tool for the wrong reasons. Liberal mentality.

It's a lot easier to scapegoat an inanimate tool. The truth of the matter is that the real issue, what's driving youth to shoot each other - daily I might add, in cities like Chicago, and it doesn't make national headlines - is because we either haven't identified the root cause, too scared to find the root cause, or too lazy.

Not sure why, I think people are too scared to find the root cause. The War on Drugs, the War on Families, economic devastation, a bleak future for many driving them to drugs and crime and hopelessness, depression, etc.

They make a plan. They find their weapons. They break laws. Then they kill people. Then themselves.
 
I'm actually quite disappointed with the replies to this thread. Do I agree with the man'a post? No. But attacking him and wishing him dead? What a lack of empathy for your common human being who obviously went through something traumatic. You can be empathetic without having to agree or accept his opinions. Granted, the guy obviously knows little or nothing about existing firearm laws. The best way to combat this is with rational arguments, not personal attacks. This is one of the greatest debates of or generation. Let's not let our side be remembered as the ones who argued our case with ad hominem nonsense.


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Way to be a victim... Taught school for 7 years had knife pulled on me twice, I didn't stand there and wait for someone to save me, run or shelter in place. My 3 years at private school in TX we were encouraged to carry if experienced and confident with firearm.

Really? That's awesome.
 
I'm actually quite disappointed with the replies to this thread. Do I agree with the man'a post? No. But attacking him and wishing him dead? What a lack of empathy for your common human being who obviously went through something traumatic. You can be empathetic without having to agree or accept his opinions. Granted, the guy obviously knows little or nothing about existing firearm laws. The best way to combat this is with rational arguments, not personal attacks. This is one of the greatest debates of or generation. Let's not let our side be remembered as the ones who argued our case with ad hominem nonsense.


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Guy is obviously a weakling tool that's proud of the fact that he's a weakling tool, proud that he has to run to gov for help anytime anything out of the ordinary happens. I have no sympathy for these. Also, as far as what he went through being traumatic... well traumatic for him maybe. Any rational person would breathe a sigh of relief and move the f on.
 
I'm actually quite disappointed with the replies to this thread. Do I agree with the man'a post? No. But attacking him and wishing him dead? What a lack of empathy for your common human being who obviously went through something traumatic. You can be empathetic without having to agree or accept his opinions. Granted, the guy obviously knows little or nothing about existing firearm laws. The best way to combat this is with rational arguments, not personal attacks. This is one of the greatest debates of or generation. Let's not let our side be remembered as the ones who argued our case with ad hominem nonsense.
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Two non-swimmers fall into the ocean. Both are rescued. One thinks, "Gee, maybe I should learn how to swim or wear a life vest." The second one thinks, "We should drain the ocean!" Mr. Needler is like the second guy. I don't wish him injury or death, but I do reserve the right to make fun of his response.

Gun owners have been compromising for decades. The cry from the other side hasn't changed. Their ultimate goal is the elimination of all guns for all people...except the government and "special" folks. I'm willing to have a rational discussion with just about anyone, but both sides have to be rational. When I hear someone say "We need to do something about guns" instead of "We need to do something about violence" I think they've already made up their minds. Mr. Needler has already made up his mind.
 
I'm actually quite disappointed with the replies to this thread. Do I agree with the man'a post? No. But attacking him and wishing him dead? What a lack of empathy for your common human being who obviously went through something traumatic.
I disagree. Sure he was shocked out of his complacement "nothing bad can ever happen to us" worldview, but a hour of lockdown is the worst thing to ever happen in his life, he has lead a sheltered and boring existence.

Mr. Needler said:
Today I endured the nightmare I had feared for the past fourteen years, since I started teaching public school – a school shooting. I guess in some ways I’m lucky, or dodged a bullet, since I was never near the shooter, got home safely and didn’t even know the student who was shot and killed.
So he was never at risk, never saw or heard the shooter, and didn't even know the student who was shot? So basically he's traumatized because he was in the same building as a criminal with a gun? And because of this he" spent the rest of the day feeling alternately sad, worried, scared and confused, wanting to know what was really happening.", and now he wants to make the rest of the world a gun free zone just like his public school?

Sorry, but I have no sympathy for Mr. Needler nor his new-found dedication to civilian disarmament.
 
If he had been fearing this nightmare for fourteen years maybe he should've conceal carried at work so he wouldn't be afraid everyday and could actually do something to help. What a bitch!
 
I'm actually quite disappointed with the replies to this thread. Do I agree with the man'a post? No. But attacking him and wishing him dead? What a lack of empathy for your common human being who obviously went through something traumatic. You can be empathetic without having to agree or accept his opinions. Granted, the guy obviously knows little or nothing about existing firearm laws. The best way to combat this is with rational arguments, not personal attacks. This is one of the greatest debates of or generation. Let's not let our side be remembered as the ones who argued our case with ad hominem nonsense.

I'm not wishing him any harm, and yes, he has gone through an experience that I have not (though I'd offer that I've been through at least one that HE has not)...

That said, the man is entitled to his opinion. It's when he thinks his opinion governs mine he becomes a tool. It's nothing personal.
 
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