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Gun Safety - Andrew Yang for President

For the no-clickers

GUN SAFETY
BRIEF

For many Americans, guns are a big part of their culture and identity. However, guns are a major responsibility and thus we need to have common-sense gun safety measures, especially considering that there are already approximately 300 million firearms in the United States. Responsible gun owners should continue to enjoy the right to bear arms, subject to licensing and education requirements that will encourage the public safety.



Most Americans agree on common-sense safety requirements and restrictions on firearms. As President, I will support sensible regulation of guns that allows their continued enjoyment by responsible gun owners in a framework that promotes the overall public safety.



Problems to be Solved
  • Most Americans agree that responsible gun-ownership with some restrictions is the proper policy
  • Current gun laws have been pushed in a dangerous direction by lobbying groups only looking out for the profits of gun manufacturers
Goals
  • Create a common sense licensing policy, requiring investment and safety precautions
  • Prevent dangerous individuals from owning guns
  • Encourage innovation in firearm personalization and safety
  • Enhance mental health resources available to people who need help
Guiding Principles
  • Safety
  • Education
  • Balance of Public Needs with Private Rights

As President, I will…
  • Promote a stringent, tiered licensing system for gun ownership (think a CDL vs. a regular driver’s license):
    • All tiers
      • Pass a federal background check, eliminating the gun show loophole.
    • Tier 1 – Basic hunting rifles and handguns
      • Pass a background check
      • Pass a basic hunting/firearm safety class
      • Provide a receipt for an appropriately-sized gun locker, or trigger lock per registered gun.
    • Tier 2 – Semi-automatic rifles
      • Have a Tier 1 license for at least 1 year
      • Be at least 21 years of age
      • Pass an advanced firearm safety class.
    • Tier 3 – Advanced and automatic weaponry
      • Maintain current restrictions and definitions (National Firearms Act of 1934)
      • Ban high-capacity magazines
      • Require submission of fingerprints and DNA to the FBI
      • Submit to a gun locker inspection to ensure it can house the weapons
      • Undergo yearly refresher trainings on the use of these firearms.
    • Anyone with a history of violence, domestic abuse, or violent mental illness would be restricted from receiving a license.
    • Those who currently own any firearms will:
      • Be grandfathered in with their current license, and for the 1-year requirement if they decide to apply for a Tier 2 license
      • Receive a one-time “Good Gun Owner” tax credit for adhering to the additional requirements implemented by the new system
      • Be allowed a tax write-off for the purchase of any equipment required to adhere to the new standards
      • Be allowed to register any currently unregistered firearm without facing any penalties.
    • Individual states will determine their concealed carry/open carry laws, and reciprocity will not be federally enforced. However, a concealed or open carry license in one state would satisfy all licensure requirements in all states.
  • Prohibit the manufacture and sale of bump stocks, suppressors, incendiary/exploding ammunition, and (yes, this is currently legal) grenade launcher attachments.
  • Create federal safety guidelines for gun manufacture and distribution, similar to federal car safety requirements, with strict penalties for the violation of these guidelines.
  • Encourage gun manufacturers to implement designs that prevent interchanging parts that alter the functionality of the firearm.
  • Implement a federal buyback program for anyone who wants to voluntarily give up their firearm.
  • Invest in innovative technology that would make firearms harder to fire for non-owners of the gun, and create a federal, bipartisan panel to determine when technological innovations are advanced and reliable enough to be included in manufacturing safety requirements.
  • As stated here, invest in a more robust mental health infrastructure. This will help to identify and treat people with mental health illnesses that make them prone to violence.
  • Increase funding to the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline, and drastically increase funding to the US Department of Veterans Affairs Suicide Prevention efforts.
  • Initiate and fund mindfulness programs in schools and correctional facilities, which have been demonstrated to reduce violent behavior.
  • Invest heavily in law enforcement training to de-escalate situations involving firearms.
 
Yeah that’s great... /s

So essentially lay all the blame for “gun violence” on good people exercising lawful rights by enacting all that crap.
Because to enact that garbage nationally you’d have to detail to the government what your rightfully held defensive tools are... And then when criminals continue to perpetrate the massive majority of crimes, then what smart guy?!

But, you know how many people with zero firearm or constitutional knowledge will go for that? Common sense and all that. And, if you object they will ask what your plan is, while continuing to not enforce the currently voluminous set of laws.

But thanks so much for grandfathering me in on all that, really appreciate it.
 
I'll agree to everything he wants, on one condition.

I'll give him a first class ticket to Pinochet's helicopter tours, ltd, and I want him to write a review of the premium tour after. Then we'll talk about "reasonable regulations" on guns..
 
mikeyp said:
Gun Safety - Andrew Yang for President

For the no-clickers

GUN SAFETY
BRIEF

For many Americans, guns are a big part of their culture and identity. However, guns are a major responsibility and thus we need to have common-sense gun safety measures, especially considering that there are already approximately 300 million firearms in the United States. Responsible gun owners should continue to enjoy the right to bear arms, subject to licensing and education requirements that will encourage the public safety.



Most Americans agree on common-sense safety requirements and restrictions on firearms. As President, I will support sensible regulation of guns that allows their continued enjoyment by responsible gun owners in a framework that promotes the overall public safety.



Problems to be Solved



    • Most Americans agree that responsible gun-ownership with some restrictions is the proper policy
    • Current gun laws have been pushed in a dangerous direction by lobbying groups only looking out for the profits of gun manufacturers
Goals



    • Create a common sense licensing policy, requiring investment and safety precautions
    • Prevent dangerous individuals from owning guns
    • Encourage innovation in firearm personalization and safety
    • Enhance mental health resources available to people who need help
Guiding Principles



    • Safety
    • Education
    • Balance of Public Needs with Private Rights

As President, I will…



    • Promote a stringent, tiered licensing system for gun ownership (think a CDL vs. a regular driver’s license):
      • All tiers
        • Pass a federal background check, eliminating the gun show loophole.
      • Tier 1 – Basic hunting rifles and handguns
        • Pass a background check
        • Pass a basic hunting/firearm safety class
        • Provide a receipt for an appropriately-sized gun locker, or trigger lock per registered gun.
      • Tier 2 – Semi-automatic rifles
        • Have a Tier 1 license for at least 1 year
        • Be at least 21 years of age
        • Pass an advanced firearm safety class.
      • Tier 3 – Advanced and automatic weaponry
        • Maintain current restrictions and definitions (National Firearms Act of 1934)
        • Ban high-capacity magazines
        • Require submission of fingerprints and DNA to the FBI
        • Submit to a gun locker inspection to ensure it can house the weapons
        • Undergo yearly refresher trainings on the use of these firearms.
      • Anyone with a history of violence, domestic abuse, or violent mental illness would be restricted from receiving a license.
      • Those who currently own any firearms will:
        • Be grandfathered in with their current license, and for the 1-year requirement if they decide to apply for a Tier 2 license
        • Receive a one-time “Good Gun Owner” tax credit for adhering to the additional requirements implemented by the new system
        • Be allowed a tax write-off for the purchase of any equipment required to adhere to the new standards
        • Be allowed to register any currently unregistered firearm without facing any penalties.
      • Individual states will determine their concealed carry/open carry laws, and reciprocity will not be federally enforced. However, a concealed or open carry license in one state would satisfy all licensure requirements in all states.
    • Prohibit the manufacture and sale of bump stocks, suppressors, incendiary/exploding ammunition, and (yes, this is currently legal) grenade launcher attachments.
    • Create federal safety guidelines for gun manufacture and distribution, similar to federal car safety requirements, with strict penalties for the violation of these guidelines.
    • Encourage gun manufacturers to implement designs that prevent interchanging parts that alter the functionality of the firearm.
    • Implement a federal buyback program for anyone who wants to voluntarily give up their firearm.
    • Invest in innovative technology that would make firearms harder to fire for non-owners of the gun, and create a federal, bipartisan panel to determine when technological innovations are advanced and reliable enough to be included in manufacturing safety requirements.
    • As stated here, invest in a more robust mental health infrastructure. This will help to identify and treat people with mental health illnesses that make them prone to violence.
    • Increase funding to the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline, and drastically increase funding to the US Department of Veterans Affairs Suicide Prevention efforts.
    • Initiate and fund mindfulness programs in schools and correctional facilities, which have been demonstrated to reduce violent behavior.
    • Invest heavily in law enforcement training to de-escalate situations involving firearms.
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Go EABOD. Then read the constitution/bill of rights... You have no clue what you are talking about.... traitor
 
mikeyp said:
Gun Safety - Andrew Yang for President

For the no-clickers

GUN SAFETY
BRIEF

For many Americans, guns are a big part of their culture and identity. However, guns are a major responsibility and thus we need to have common-sense gun safety measures, especially considering that there are already approximately 300 million firearms in the United States. Responsible gun owners should continue to enjoy the right to bear arms, subject to licensing and education requirements that will encourage the public safety.



Most Americans agree on common-sense safety requirements and restrictions on firearms. As President, I will support sensible regulation of guns that allows their continued enjoyment by responsible gun owners in a framework that promotes the overall public safety.



Problems to be Solved



    • Most Americans agree that responsible gun-ownership with some restrictions is the proper policy
    • Current gun laws have been pushed in a dangerous direction by lobbying groups only looking out for the profits of gun manufacturers
Goals



    • Create a common sense licensing policy, requiring investment and safety precautions
    • Prevent dangerous individuals from owning guns
    • Encourage innovation in firearm personalization and safety
    • Enhance mental health resources available to people who need help
Guiding Principles



    • Safety
    • Education
    • Balance of Public Needs with Private Rights

As President, I will…



    • Promote a stringent, tiered licensing system for gun ownership (think a CDL vs. a regular driver’s license):
      • All tiers
        • Pass a federal background check, eliminating the gun show loophole.
      • Tier 1 – Basic hunting rifles and handguns
        • Pass a background check
        • Pass a basic hunting/firearm safety class
        • Provide a receipt for an appropriately-sized gun locker, or trigger lock per registered gun.
      • Tier 2 – Semi-automatic rifles
        • Have a Tier 1 license for at least 1 year
        • Be at least 21 years of age
        • Pass an advanced firearm safety class.
      • Tier 3 – Advanced and automatic weaponry
        • Maintain current restrictions and definitions (National Firearms Act of 1934)
        • Ban high-capacity magazines
        • Require submission of fingerprints and DNA to the FBI
        • Submit to a gun locker inspection to ensure it can house the weapons
        • Undergo yearly refresher trainings on the use of these firearms.
      • Anyone with a history of violence, domestic abuse, or violent mental illness would be restricted from receiving a license.
      • Those who currently own any firearms will:
        • Be grandfathered in with their current license, and for the 1-year requirement if they decide to apply for a Tier 2 license
        • Receive a one-time “Good Gun Owner” tax credit for adhering to the additional requirements implemented by the new system
        • Be allowed a tax write-off for the purchase of any equipment required to adhere to the new standards
        • Be allowed to register any currently unregistered firearm without facing any penalties.
      • Individual states will determine their concealed carry/open carry laws, and reciprocity will not be federally enforced. However, a concealed or open carry license in one state would satisfy all licensure requirements in all states.
    • Prohibit the manufacture and sale of bump stocks, suppressors, incendiary/exploding ammunition, and (yes, this is currently legal) grenade launcher attachments.
    • Create federal safety guidelines for gun manufacture and distribution, similar to federal car safety requirements, with strict penalties for the violation of these guidelines.
    • Encourage gun manufacturers to implement designs that prevent interchanging parts that alter the functionality of the firearm.
    • Implement a federal buyback program for anyone who wants to voluntarily give up their firearm.
    • Invest in innovative technology that would make firearms harder to fire for non-owners of the gun, and create a federal, bipartisan panel to determine when technological innovations are advanced and reliable enough to be included in manufacturing safety requirements.
    • As stated here, invest in a more robust mental health infrastructure. This will help to identify and treat people with mental health illnesses that make them prone to violence.
    • Increase funding to the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline, and drastically increase funding to the US Department of Veterans Affairs Suicide Prevention efforts.
    • Initiate and fund mindfulness programs in schools and correctional facilities, which have been demonstrated to reduce violent behavior.
    • Invest heavily in law enforcement training to de-escalate situations involving firearms.
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This guy is the prime example of the omnipotent moral busy body. Do you think this level of micromanagement will stop at the RKBA's? This guy is a threat to all Americans.
 
He's gaining some momentum; I'm seeing lots of people being members of the "Yang Gang."
Plus, the $1,000/month UBI for every 18+ American (already being called Yangbux) will draw in a lot of people.

But, I can't see the DNC establishment letting him get a sniff of the nomination.

I will say, his crappy gun stances aside, unlike nearly every other politician he's actually proposing some concrete plans/objectives on how to change things rather than simple vagaries. Whether or not they're the correct plans, they are specific agenda items nonetheless. I do know a couple conservatives who have expressed an interest in hearing his plans--I don't know if they are familiar with his gun stances. At least he isn't calling for a total ban, even though I think his plans are way too restrictive.

Compare his plan to Trahan who wants to ban all semi-autos of any kind...
 
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A pair of cement shoes and a swan dive into the Yangtze River would be in order.

People like this guy just really think they’re solving “problems”. He must’ve gotten all warm, fuzzy, and self-reassured over and over with each policy line he wrote.

This guy probably really thinks he’s get the gun owners of red states to back him up like “good job, sir!”
 
daekken said:
He's gaining some momentum; I'm seeing lots of people being members of the "Yang Gang."
Plus, the $1,000/month UBI for every 18+ American (already being called Yangbux) will draw in a lot of people.

But, I can't see the DNC establishment letting him get a sniff of the nomination.

I will say, his crappy gun stances aside, unlike nearly every other politician he's actually proposing some concrete plans/objectives on how to change things rather than simple vagaries. Whether or not they're the correct plans, they are specific agenda items nonetheless. I do know a couple conservatives who have expressed an interest in hearing his plans--I don't know if they are familiar with his gun stances. At least he isn't calling for a total ban, even though I think his plans are way too restrictive.

Compare his plan to Trahan who wants to ban all semi-autos of any kind...
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Basically he's just acting like Seth Moulton admitting what he actually wants to do versus the other legislators that lie about not wanting to ban guns.... still same piece of shit, one just wears a hat declaring it other one hides it, but you can smell both
 
Why can't we try to find some middle ground. He just needs to rewrite a little.

Tax credits for qualifying safes. (Real safes not locking sheet metal boxes)

Deductions for qualifying training classes that teach good safety and ways to deescalate without firing the gun.

Enhanced background checks for individuals buying new automatic weapons.

No police department can buy weapons not commonly available to private individuals.

Funding and prioritization to ensure that guns won't get into criminals hands. Investigation into those who fail NICS because they should not own guns along with straw purchasers.

Reporting and guidance on effective and efficient prosecution for gun crimes. Statistics showing who and where the laws are and are not being consistently upheld.

Of course that's just an off the cuff list and they don't actually want to solve the problem they are talking about, they have other goals in mind.
 
None of these "lets compromise" or "let's be reasonable" ever include anything on our side of the ledger, like adding "National carry" to Tier 2 or 3 on that list.

One has to be wary of double crosses on compromise. In WA, our side got shall issue in return for background checks for those without carry permits (this was pre-Brady). Although they failed, some legislators reacted immediately by filing legislation to repeal shall issue, but keep what our side traded.

And then there is the MA AWB where a compromise (actually, limited surrender) was negotiated and even Jim Wallace came out in support of the AW and mag ban since it used the federal definition of AW. Then we got double crossed.
 
Rob Boudrie said:
None of these "lets compromise" or "let's be reasonable" ever include anything on our side of the ledger, like adding "National carry" to Tier 2 or 3 on that list.

One has to be wary of double crosses on compromise. In WA, our side got shall issue in return for background checks for those without carry permits (this was pre-Brady). Although they failed, some legislators reacted immediately by filing legislation to repeal shall issue, but keep what our side traded.

And then there is the MA AWB where a compromise (actually, limited surrender) was negotiated and even Jim Wallace came out in support of the AW and mag ban since it used the federal definition of AW. Then we got double crossed.
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Yep it's always negotiating in poor faith.

I am fine if they want to give something to prove they are actually interested in working to a solution, I am all ears. It is not as if choosing to just not engage is an option. Then perception is on their side.

How about a license with similar process to the c&r FFL that allows national carry and automatic weapons.

I am all for options which add (tax credits, education funding, etc) which do not force any records or actions for those who choose not to participate. (Obviously tax credits and deductions are paid by the entire population as a whole, so not zero impact on non participants)
 
Rob Boudrie said:
None of these "lets compromise" or "let's be reasonable" ever include anything on our side of the ledger, like adding "National carry" to Tier 2 or 3 on that list.

One has to be wary of double crosses on compromise. In WA, our side got shall issue in return for background checks for those without carry permits (this was pre-Brady). Although they failed, some legislators reacted immediately by filing legislation to repeal shall issue, but keep what our side traded.

And then there is the MA AWB where a compromise (actually, limited surrender) was negotiated and even Jim Wallace came out in support of the AW and mag ban since it used the federal definition of AW. Then we got double crossed.
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Should never comprise on a right. That needs to be made crystal clear to the fancy pants in suits who think they know.

This should be played on loud speakers at the gold dome.


View: https://youtu.be/UtNTQAkhvzE
 
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We need safety from traitorous politicians that push policies that have cost the lives of over 100 million people.
 
What a scumbag! Our 2A rights to be rationed on the whims of nameless, faceless bureaucrats. I read this proposal and came away with the notion that all it would take is one exparte TRO, 209A or whatever the hell they call it in this socialist state to make one forever prohibited from obtaining a Tier 1 license to own even a single shot .22 rimfire rifle. The NES member who suggested cement shoes and a toss in the river for Yang was correct.
 
308rifleman said:
What a scumbag! Our 2A rights to be rationed on the whims of nameless, faceless bureaucrats. I read this proposal and came away with the notion that all it would take is one exparte TRO, 209A or whatever the hell they call it in this socialist state to make one forever prohibited from obtaining a Tier 1 license to own even a single shot .22 rimfire rifle. The NES member who suggested cement shoes and a toss in the river for Yang was correct.
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Get out of the rabbit hole more often! What is the difference between what he wants to "implement" and what we have in MA now? Any screwed up girlfriend, any crazy relative can make your guns disappear with one simple phone call. And this was "implemented" by a Great Republican Bipartisan!

At some point we better decide between staying in the rabbit hole for the rest of our lives or on becoming partisans. I like the second option!
 
I don't think he will get the roof top Korean vote.

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After reading Yang's proposals, I remember why I never click on the links. My brain hurts now.
What makes me want to puke, and I know that I'm preaching to the choir here, is that there's one simple fact.
Using a gun to commit a crime or kill someone, self defense excluded, is already against the law. That should be all we need.
Everything else that these godless, anti-American, anti-Constitution, wanna-be communist rulers are proposing, only restrict the rights of the law abiding citizens who already play by the rules, and don't pose a threat to anyone.
It's almost like their ultimate goal is the total disarmament of the subjects. Almost.
And that's never worked out well for said subjects.

Barry
 
This POS was on a Freakonomics podcast recently.

He also wants a universal tax for universal income.
 

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