Buffalo Bore...pick any caliber, their ammo is exceptionally accurate, reliable, and loaded HOT.
+1 for Buffalo Bore. Everything Ultrarunner said about it is true! Hot rounds for every caliber
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Buffalo Bore...pick any caliber, their ammo is exceptionally accurate, reliable, and loaded HOT.
ok guys, I'm looking to choose my self defense ammo when I CC.... My question is what do you guys use as your self defense carry ammo and why? Thanks in advance, Jerry
forgot to add in 9mm
Speer GDHP 124 gr +P (even the std pressure is good, too)
Winchester Ranger RA9TA 127gr +P+
Fed HST 124 gr +P (or std pressure)
Those would be my top 3 picks. (not necessarily in order, either) There are others that work well, too, but these have always tested very well.
As a general rule I stay away from anything I can't purchase in an "LE Style" box of 50. That's more of a principle thing than anything else.... I just don't like getting ripped off. The little shitty 20 round boxes of defense ammo are usually big ****ing cash cows for distributors and ammo companies. They screw the gun shops that buy them and then the gun shops have to pass on this screwing to the consumer. [sad2]
-Mike
Winchester PDX1 has great ballistics and expansion in .38spl, 9mm, and .45csl. Best bang for the buck.. cant beat it at 15-16$ per 20rds. stay away from it in .380acp because it plugs and does not properly expand most of the time.
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Here in a nutshell is why I'd avoid hornady critical defense:
According to Steve Johnson, Hornady Marketing Communications Manager, the Critical Defense line of handgun ammunition:
"...is not designed to shoot through glass, is not designed to shoot through a car door, and is not designed to shoot through a wall. If you have to shoot through something like that in a personal defense situation you're probably going to jail."
Is that to say you would like to shoot through glass, car doors, walls and go to jail? Curious as to your thinking on this matter?
All the training I have received indicates that ammunition that can "shoot through" your target and injure/kill another person is not a good idea.
If anyone knows where to get Federal HST in 9mm please let me know. I thought it was unavailable to non-gubmint types now.
Then whoever trained you is full of shit, because any ammo worth carrying has enough penetration to go through a typical human torso. (look at any balgel test of decent ammo and you will see why.) You can't have it both ways, that's the problem.
Besides, Jar is talking about intermediate barrier penetration, not overpenetration. There's a difference. Intermediate barriers are things like car doors, auto glass, etc. However unlikely it might be that you have to shoot through one of these barriers, why not have a bullet better designed for the task?
-Mike
ok guys, I'm looking to choose my self defense ammo when I CC.... My question is what do you guys use as your self defense carry ammo and why? Thanks in advance, Jerry
forgot to add in 9mm
Critical DEFENSE® = Personal Protection/Concealed Carry
Critical DEFENSE® handgun ammunition was developed to provide the best performance for DEFENSIVE or PERSONAL PROTECTION SITUATIONS and is the ultimate choice for any short barreled, concealed carry style firearm.
The FTX® bullets loaded in all Critical Defense® handgun ammunition are designed to expand and provide the terminal performance needed for close encounters often associated with personal protection situations. Additionally, Critical DEFENSE® is not intended for use in extreme (law enforcement) situations that require superior barrier performance.* However, the FTX® bullet will expand reliably and will not clog like standard hollow point bullets when fired through heavy clothing.* In addition, Critical DEFENSE® ammunition IS optimized for short barreled, concealed carry style handguns and will not deliver excessive recoil and associated “muzzle flip.”
*As defined by the “FBI Protocol” handgun ammunition tests.
Critical DutyCritical DUTY® = Tactical
Critical DUTY® handgun ammunition is built to meet the needs and requirements of LAW ENFORCEMENT and TACTICAL PROFESSIONALS, as well as those law abiding citizens who prefer a full-size handgun for their personal protection and demand superior barrier penetration and subsequent terminal performance.*
The FlexLock® bullets loaded in all Critical DUTY® offerings are rugged, heavy jacketed bullets that deliver virtually “barrier blind” performance (i.e. total penetration, weight retention and expansion are practically the same) when shot through common urban barriers* (bare gelatin, auto glass, sheet metal, plywood, drywall, heavy clothing*). In addition, Critical DUTY® loads are “full power loads” designed to function full-size handgun slides. Although designed to work flawlessly in ALL handguns, these loads are NOT optimized for short barreled, concealed carry style handguns; they will deliver standard recoil during firing.
i personally prefer federal hydrashok over everything else, and have since the mid eighties
i personally prefer federal hydrashok over everything else, and have since the mid eighties
Jesus, some of you guys have got to get with the times. Hydra-shok was a state of the art first generation hollow point in the 1980s. There are a ton of better rounds out there that expand better, penetrate deeper, don't shed their jackets, and don't get plugged up.
Ranger-T, HST, Gold Dot, and Golden Saber are all better choices.
Anything not 9 mm.