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Even the other way is NBD. "We can prove that you own Pistol XYZ." "No, you can prove that I PURCHASED Pistol XYZ. I traded it in at a dealer. Might have been Carr's or Costa's. I forget. What? Neither are in business? Well then you're SOL, aren't you?"
Somehow I don't think most MA PDs would just go away.psst. You don't need to prove anything.
Back when I was in CT, a friend temporarily became a PP. His estranged wife filed for a protective order against him and got it. He filed for an order against her and got it.
So a day later the cops show up at his door to get his guns. He tells them that 1) absent a warrant they can not come in. 2) he doesn't have any guns.
They start pushing him for proof that he doesn't have any guns. Specifically a form DPS3 that any dealer gives you when you do a transfer either way with them.
They continue to push.
He pulls out a printed page of the CT statute and says "I'm in full compliance with the protective order". And closes the door.
I wish I was there to see it.
What the cops didn't know and the CT statutes don't take into account is if the person transfers the guns out of state. No paperwork, no "proof". They had to live with it.
psst. You don't need to prove anything.
Back when I was in CT, a friend temporarily became a PP. His estranged wife filed for a protective order against him and got it. He filed for an order against her and got it.
So a day later the cops show up at his door to get his guns. He tells them that 1) absent a warrant they can not come in. 2) he doesn't have any guns.
They start pushing him for proof that he doesn't have any guns. Specifically a form DPS3 that any dealer gives you when you do a transfer either way with them.
They continue to push.
He pulls out a printed page of the CT statute and says "I'm in full compliance with the protective order". And closes the door.
I wish I was there to see it.
What the cops didn't know and the CT statutes don't take into account is if the person transfers the guns out of state. No paperwork, no "proof". They had to live with it.
Nope, they'll demand the firearms, reject your efa10 transfer paperwork, and threaten the person holding them with interfering in a police investigation.Somehow I don't think most MA PDs would just go away.
I agree. Plus get a search warrant based on being non-cooperative and the PD having a list of guns after revocation/suspension. I can't see any Mass Marsupial judge denying such a search warrant request.Nope, they'll demand the firearms, reject your efa10 transfer paperwork, and threaten the person holding them with interfering in a police investigation.
I gotta learn where that fuse is.A friend will help you move.
A real friend lives in NH and will safekeep all your guns and ammo
when you show up unannounced one night
with your MFing deep state spyware smartphone left back in Massachusetts
and your MFing deep state spyware dashboard navigator's fuse pulled.
Your experimentation is deeply appreciated.Easy fuse removal for my car. Radio / Nav - that should turn it all off. I know where the fuse is. I'll test it ...
If the guns aren't in your house, then they can get all the warrants they want.I agree. Plus get a search warrant based on being non-cooperative and the PD having a list of guns after revocation/suspension. I can't see any Mass Marsupial judge denying such a search warrant request.
In the 70's some cops on Long Island were convinced that some mafia in-lawBack ~40 yrs ago there was someone on my street that was selling drugs out of a roach-coach. He got busted and I was told that the police went into his house with a search warrant and "found" >$10K in cash buried in the walls of his house. I never asked, so I'm guessing that they ripped holes in some walls to find it. All that I know for certain was that the house was eventually ripped down, someone else bought the property and built a mini-mansion on that lot.
You can play games if you want, but the PD may be able to do the same.
Are you afraid you will get busted for selling ammo?Guns never leave the police registry.
How do I explain they are all gone?
Are they going to tear my house apart?
Should my tegu and other household reptiles be concerned?
I don't expect to be in trouble any time soon - but the registry has me concerned since it's not updated.
I'm an honest man but I can't repatriate guns that are 6 feet down in frozen earth deep in the wilds of other states.
The GPS coordinates are on an encrypted flash drive sealed in a capsule at the bottom of a pond.
The password to the encrypted flash drive is on a one time pad hidden in another secret location.
What do they expect you to do - wait till Spring?
Not in this case.Are you afraid you will get busted for selling ammo?
Does that inform where you store your surplus ammo?I have studied the Hot / Crazy Matrix, however...
A lawyer friend of mine said he's going to write a book on how to deal with the police. It will be 500 pages long. All pages blank except for the first one that says" Shut the f*** up"
Another state can only assist if they know where they are.Depends on what the nature of the confiscation is. If its 209A or something felony related, the kopsch will get whatever warrants they need and take whatever they want, wherever they
want. Things like Lautenberg are orbital and exist in every state. If its something dumb like a "we revoked businblahs license because the chief saw him picking his nose" then having your guns out of state is a fine prophylactic, because NH or many other states wont touch that shit with a 49.5 foot pole. (EG, someone is not prohibited by their state law or federal law).
Another state can only assist if they know where they are.
yesMy point in all this is NOT to circumvent any laws. If you are a PP, then you can't have guns. But if they are at least at a dealer somewhere, they can be either held until the legal jeopardy is sorted out or sold at fair market value. Not rotting in an evidence room or even worse a bonded storage locker somewhere.
Remember, even if the other state wants to help, they still have to find them. Again, I'm not talking about facilitating the breaking of any laws. Actually I'm talking about forcing the states to respect the law. Which is that you shall not be deprived of property without due process of law.
Yes, I don't recall the exact citation and don't have time to dig for it, but upon being suspended/revoked, one must immediately turn everything over OR disclose where they are (if outside person's direct control at the time) or they will get charged with a felony. I recall LEOs threatening that charge. It is in the MGLs, that I am certain of.Don,. most people are retarded/scared and will run their mouth to the police, thus "knowing". It also doesn't take much for an MA detective that isnt a total
lunkhead to search records and stuff to find out where peoples 2nd homes, etc, are. Unless someone does something clever like conceal this ownership with a trust or
corporation, that stuff is easily determined. Hell most of that data is even in the public domain.
Further, a lot of lawyers are also retarded and start getting cold feet when their client gets braced with "tell us where the guns are or we sic (some stupid MGL here) on
you". There's some bullshit in MGL about requiring disclosure on demand, I forget what it is, but @Len-2A Training probably remembers
it. Even if 99% of the time it is an empty threat. The savvy/alpha type lawyers are going to just tell their client to shut the f*** up, say nothing, and wait for
release. Particularly if the client has done nothing else wrong.
You must turn over everything or disclose where they are.Yes, I don't recall the exact citation and don't have time to dig for it, but upon being suspended/revoked, one must immediately turn everything over OR disclose where they are (if outside person's direct control at the time) or they will get charged with a felony. I recall LEOs threatening that charge. It is in the MGLs, that I am certain of.
The issue then becomes that MA LEOs have to rely on non-MA LEOs confiscating them. Something unlikely to happen other than a Lautenberg Act issue, or perhaps if the person is a real Federally PP. I would expect a "thanks for the info, have a nice day response" if it is neither of these.
Which sense of "possession" are you using here?... if they have already been transferred, they aren't yours anymore and don't need to be disclosed. So part of the trick would be to get them out of your possession BEFORE they come knocking at your door.