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FIFYBoy, if this thread shocks you, you're in for a real f'ing shocker when the shit really starts. You better start wearing depends.
Holy shit... I read some of the posts in this thread and am no longer amazed as to why we are swirling the toilet... Jesus Christ...
Yeah... smells heavily of statism in here.
As an active LEO no I will not defy the oath I took to uphold the Constitution of the United States. To me this oath is worth more than money, financial security or even my own life. If such orders come down I (and most others I know) will not comply with these illegal orders. My oath was to my people and their representative government not to a single person or leader. If the people determine that this government no longer serves them then I side with the people and will serve them until my last breath. Not all feel this way but I would bet on most LEO's and active .MIL being on the side of the people if the proverbial SHTF.
Ya think? I wish I could say I was shocked - but really, I'm not shocked by much anymore. That old cliche comes to mind: "I have seen the enemy and he is us"... The American Patriot is a dying breed - posers, wannabes, keyboard kommandos and statists, have polluted the ranks and muddied the standards...Some of this shit is fu**ing ridiculous...I wanted to post something witty - maybe a funny IBTL picture, but I just can't - I'm nauseous....
I saw that video. She had a gun out in the open in her hand right in front of the cops, what did you expect?
A three year old child with a real handgun would get tackled by the cops if he had an actual gun in his hand.
Sorry but that incident wasn't government oppression that was cops responding to a very real potentially life threatening situation.
Remember : it was a real gun she had out in the open and she did not respond immediately to the cops verbal command to drop the weapon.
ANY cop even the most noble with the highest integrity would respond exactly the way the cops in that video did.
Try holding your firearm out in the open down by your side even in a non threatening friendly way in front of an on duty cop and see what happens.
What you had in that case was a very half cocked (no pun intended) "citizen" who I submit wasn't qualified to posses a firearm. Look at her actions.
I'm not defending the government just pointing out the obvious.
Thing that gets me, is the defeatist attitude with some of you.
How did the Irish do it? Squaring up with one of the most powerful militaries in the world, block to block, building to building, for multiple generations, effectively. Hell they aren't done yet, things are starting to spark up again over there. So, how is it that a few hundred dedicated people trying to reclaim their land manage to sack up and wear down the crown, yet 1/2 of the people in this thread would tuck tail and run.
Speaks miles for the American spirit on here. Personally, I have no intention of pleading on my knees. Dads family hails out of West Belfast before coming here, that city knows how to rock and roll when the gov comes'a'knockin'. Wouldn't be living up to the last name without going out with a half smirk now would I?
As for being up to the task? Nobody knows until the time comes, but I'd sure like to think I would. I'd rather see my kids grow up in a free country where they don't have to worry about what they write in a paper, or what they say in class. If that means sack up, well sack the f*** up. You'll be "yeah old grandpa ____, the p***y that wouldn't fight to make sure we didn't end up in re-education camps. Thanks, hope you got to eat your TV dinners till you checked out" if you don't. Just as bad as the loyalists.
That's all I've got to say. Flame on, say what you want. I know there's a few here with the balls to back me up.
"resisting or ignoring" a police order is at best a misdemeanor (AFAIK) and in this case it may have been an unlawful order, since there was no suspicion of a crime taking place. No way did this situation require physical violence, it is obviously an ugly example of excessive use of force.
Boy, if this thread shocks you, you're in for a real f'ing shocker when the shit really starts. You better bring a change of underwear.
When people start talking about going "Timothy McVeigh", yeah...I'm a bit shocked. Perhaps you are too young to really remember what that guy did. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing Defend your home, your life, your family. I do, and so should you. But, yeah I draw a line. Don't propose killing innocent people. If many here are okay with that, then I probably don't belong here.
I saw that video. She had a gun out in the open in her hand right in front of the cops, what did you expect?
A three year old child with a real handgun would get tackled by the cops if he had an actual gun in his hand.
Sorry but that incident wasn't government oppression that was cops responding to a very real potentially life threatening situation.
Remember : it was a real gun she had out in the open and she did not respond immediately to the cops verbal command to drop the weapon.
ANY cop even the most noble with the highest integrity would respond exactly the way the cops in that video did.
Try holding your firearm out in the open down by your side even in a non threatening friendly way in front of an on duty cop and see what happens.
What you had in that case was a very half cocked (no pun intended) "citizen" who I submit wasn't qualified to posses a firearm. Look at her actions.
I'm not defending the government just pointing out the obvious.
We are not talking about excessive force, we are talking about "Gun Confiscation". Yes, he tackled her to take the gun out of her hands in fear of her using it, any LEO will do this, especially when someone is resisting an order. But the "soul purpose"of his entry was to take her out of her house due to an "emergency evacuation" not "gun confiscation", apparently u ignored the part when he told her she had to leave. Please compare apples to apples not apple to oranges. That "poor little old lady" wasn't acting like it.
You clearly have tunnel vision.!!!
No, you probably don't, you f'ing newb with your pussified attitude. You're probably a government stooge anyway.
The enforcers who would kill me and my family and you and your family to enforce a completely unconstitutional law or dictate will get no free pass from me. If they endanger me and mine, they ALL become fair game.
Old enough? I'm old enough to be his grandfather. Are YOU old enough to remember what the federal gangs of thugs did to the people in Waco Texas? Mighty American of them huh?
Hit the road.
No, you probably don't, you f'ing newb with your pussified attitude. You're probably a government stooge anyway.
The enforcers who would kill me and my family and you and your family to enforce a completely unconstitutional law or dictate will get no free pass from me. If they endanger me and mine, they ALL become fair game.
Old enough? I'm old enough to be his grandfather. Are YOU old enough to remember what the federal gangs of thugs did to the people in Waco Texas? Mighty American of them huh?
Hit the road.
I'm sorry, but you're talking like a nutjob. People like you are the reason gun owners get a bad name. And yeah, if I can remember what happened in '95, I can remember '93. And, yes, if your mindset is typical here, I will be on my way. I didn't join to pick fights with conspiracy theorists, etc.
P.S. Nice language. I'm impressed.
I don't care whether you're impressed or not, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
The "gun owners/bad name thing doesn't even phase me. I couldn't care less what someone else thinks of me as a gun owner. What I care about and will enforce to the death is my right to private property, my right to keep and bear arms and my right to defend myself and my family. Screw with any of them and the other side of the sod is your destiny.
I'm sorry, but you're talking like a nutjob. People like you are the reason gun owners get a bad name. And yeah, if I can remember what happened in '95, I can remember '93. And, yes, if your mindset is typical here, I will be on my way. I didn't join to pick fights with conspiracy theorists, etc.
P.S. Nice language. I'm impressed.