I don't know what's worse the absurdity of this law or the prosecution of it.
The prosecution of it, by far. Without enforcement the law would be toothless and a moot point.
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I don't know what's worse the absurdity of this law or the prosecution of it.
I think you're right on the off-list. That's the tough one, legally-speaking. But I also think the post-ban magazine could be a problem if the crazy cop and an anti-gun prosecutor want to push it... or if they trip and fall somehow on the off-list charge. Remember, we are not dealing with reasonable, rational people here. Rather, I think we're dealing with lefties who have an agenda they want to push.
The prosecution of it, by far. Without enforcement the law would be toothless and a moot point.
It almost is toothless in MA because most LEOs ignore this crap as much as they possibly can. That alone is pretty telling. Otherwise we'd have one of these news reports every other week with a dealer getting shut down.
-Mike
I believe it was the former owner of Village Sports.
Unfortunately the difference between almost being toothless and being toothless is huge not to mention a moot point itself when you are the person who it is being enforced against.
We need to get rid of the AWB and magazine nonsense is what we need. If these were state ballot questions, most people here and their loved ones would call out of work to vote.
The way that the wheels of <in>justice grind, that won't be difficult.
How long between Mike's arrest and the court case? IIRC it was >1 year.
The criminal case I testified (for the defense) was ~18 months between arrest and day in court.
However, I don't think that is going to help him. Once the sharks (DA and police) smell blood, they don't back off.
Those two things really suck and these sissies would vote against something they don't know about and would rather remain ignorant to. Just for kicks, does anyone know what the voting population density is outside of the 495 belt?
I hope the people involved find out their spouses are cheating on them with their best friend, get divorced, lose their home, and their lives end up in ruins leading them to smoke crack, where they end up arrested and fired. Tyrants.
The people who voted in the fake indian warren, obama by big numbers, kennedy, deval, all the other pols, etc. Would swamp the voting. It would lose at least 60/40 in this state on the ballot.
Remember who the majority of the voters are here, this isn't a state with a majority of smart people.
Would it matter? It doesn't change what happened when it wasn't on the list...?
Yes, this state voted down eliminating the state income tax, remember that?
Can someone please develope an incurable cancer for people with democratic anti liberty traights ?
Would it matter? It doesn't change what happened when it wasn't on the list...?
A jury might say "why's he a felon, the gun is on the list?" I think it'd be a much tougher conviction if what he did is no longer illegal.
The sooner the 43 ends up on the list, the better for this gun dealer. Once you get past (i.e., assuming a judge/jury can get past) all the leftist gun fear/anti-gun bullstuff, the alleged felony is really a simple technicality: Has the 43 made the list yet or not?There is a legal construct called mootness. If someone is charged with a crime, and while awaiting prosecution, the offense is no longer a crime, a case can get dumped this way, because it no longer makes sense to punish the person for it. I doubt it's going to play into this case, but it's good to be aware of.
The technicality is "was the gun on the list at the time of sale?". However, having it on the list will certainly be advantageous and will be better for the defendant.the alleged felony is really a simple technicality: Has the 43 made the list yet or not?
I am not aware of them going after the buyers (anyone have info on this?)Wasn't there a dealer in Northborough, perhaps, a few years ago who was busted for selling non-eops listed pistols, like FN, and then the cops didn't prosecute but went after the LTC customers to give the guns back (w/o compensation???)?
It is stupid if the motivation is public safety.How can something so bloody trivial be a crime? Never MIND a felony?
Yeah, yeah. I know it IS, but it is also profoundly STUPID. (on the part of the lawmakers)
Yep. You are right. It's as stupid as stupid gets. But it makes lunatic anti-gun leftist moonbats happy. Welcome to Massachusetts.It is mind boggling that a crime that affected nobody in any way, that is: nobody received so much as a scratch. Nobody was threatened. Nobody lost property or even the use of their property. Nobody was diminished in any way. The transaction benefited both the seller and the buyer. And even the State BENEFITED from the "crime" by way of the sales tax.
How can something so bloody trivial be a crime? Never MIND a felony?
Yeah, yeah. I know it IS, but it is also profoundly STUPID. (on the part of the lawmakers)
It is stupid if the motivation is public safety.
It is a smart strategy if the goal is banning guns, and the goal is to taker territory for their side any way possible.
The technicality is "was the gun on the list at the time of sale?". However, having it on the list will certainly be advantageous and will be better for the defendant.
I am not aware of them going after the buyers (anyone have info on this?)
It was Mike @ Titegroup. I think he ended up paying a $6000 fine, and got a conviction that made him a federal PP for life. Prior to that, he lectured customers about how the AG could not do anything to him.