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Tracking source of guns used in crime

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I just read the Boston Globe article about Deval Patrick's plan and his proposed legislation that would limit gun buyers to purchasing one firearm a month.

I can't believe that legally purchased guns are the problem, so I called GOAL to see if there are any statistics tracked when gun crimes are committed: most importantly, was the gun used in the crime legally purchased or not. GOAL indicated that at present these statistics are not collected.

Clearly without these statistics, it is absolutely uncertain that further restricting lawful gun owners' purchasing rights will have any impact whatsoever on gun crime in MA. How can gun policy be shaped effectively if we don't know the trus source of the problem?

GOAL suggested that I contact my representative which I just did. Apparently Rep. Patricia Walrath gets a thumbs up from GOAL. I spoke with her assistant and she will get back to me with information regarding is this information tracked? What would need to be done to require it to be tracked? How can I help?

I'm sure that this topic has been brought up before but couldn't find the correct search terms to find it. Doesn anyone have any idea what we can do to ensure that this information is tracked for all gun crime in MA?
 
I'm surprised that CHSB doesn't have like, at least trace data through
them, of the amount of guns involved in a crime or
something.... they might also have no way of tracking that,
however.

I know the ATF does. You could probably do a FOIA request of some sort
to see how many ATF gun traces lead back to origin being in an MA
gun store.... the numbers are probably staggeringly low.

Note that ATF data isnt exactly pure, but most traces are conducted as a
result of a criminal investigation of some sort.

If you hunt around long enough you might even be able to find a
report online with trace data broken down by state... IIRC the feds
publish things like that once in awhile. Even if you had data that was
3 years old it would still prove the point.

FWIW, I think wether or not the gun came from MA or not is irrelevant- of
course the thing here is because this is a game of a**h*** politics, we have
to play by their rules if we want to try to sell someone on the data.


-Mike
 
I'm surprised that CHSB doesn't have like, at least trace data through
them, of the amount of guns involved in a crime or
something.... they might also have no way of tracking that,
however.

[rofl] [laugh2]
Mike you're a funny guy! Look at the debacle the State Police Crime Lab was/is in and you expect CHSB to have their shit together?
 
[rofl] [laugh2]
Mike you're a funny guy! Look at the debacle the State Police Crime Lab was/is in and you expect CHSB to have their shit together?

Well, that's why I mentioned the ATF..... I only had very thin hopes that
the CHSB would have anything.

So whats this thing about the Crime Lab? I'm not familiar with that
debacle... I'd love to hear about how badly the state screwed something
up again. [laugh]

-Mike
 
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/01/13/crime_lab_mishandled_dna_results/

Crime lab mishandled DNA results
State Police suspend aide, ask FBI audit

By Jonathan Saltzman and John R. Ellement, Globe Staff | January 13, 2007

An administrator at the troubled State Police crime laboratory has been suspended for failing to tell prosecutors of DNA matches in a number of unsolved rape cases, which now cannot be pursued because the statute of limitations has expired, the head of the State Police said yesterday.

The administrator, whom officials would not name, also told police and prosecutors that tests in an unspecified number of cases linked DNA recovered at crime scenes to suspects, when in fact they had not, Colonel Mark F. Delaney, superintendent of the State Police, said in a statement.

As a result of an internal investigation Delaney launched in mid-November, the administrator has been placed on paid leave, and the State Police has brought in the FBI to conduct an independent audit of DNA testing procedures at the crime lab.

Lieutenant Detective William Powers, a State Police spokesman, said the investigation involves at least 10 cases across the state, some of which date to the 1980s. Under state law, most rape and sexual assault allegations must be prosecuted within 15 years of the offense. In the mishandled cases, the evidence was typically recovered years before DNA testing became commonplace.

It was not immediately clear if the administrator's mistakes allowed sexual offenders to go free or led to the prosecution of innocent people. In at least one case, the defendant was convicted without the DNA evidence, officials said yesterday.

Governor Deval Patrick said he was first briefed on the matter Thursday and expressed outrage at the latest black eye for the lab, which has operated with a backlog that reached 1,000 cases in 2005.

"Every citizen is entitled to a highly professional, consistently impartial, and fair criminal justice system," Patrick said. "DNA evidence and the use of DNA evidence has been one element that has brought a certain degree of certainty into many criminal prosecutions that wasn't there before. If we're going to use that evidence and have that option available to us, then we have to assure that it's consistently professional. And it hasn't been, at least in this series of cases."

The State Police statement issued late yesterday afternoon did not identify the civilian, citing the ongoing internal investigation. The administrator was in charge of the Combined DNA Indexing System, a computerized databank that matches the DNA profiles of convicted felons with samples collected at crime scenes and analyzed by scientists. About 60 analysts and administrators work at the lab in Sudbury.

Powers said the FBI Laboratory in Quantico, Va., which has agreed to undertake an audit, might uncover more errors involving old cases. But the State Police internal review has found no problems with testing of DNA recovered in ongoing criminal cases.

"We don't think it will have any impact on those whatsoever," he said.

He said the errors did not involve the analysis of DNA. "The work was done," he said. "When it got into the hands of the administrator, the work was not properly advanced to the appropriate investigating authorities."

Prosecutors said yesterday that the State Police and Executive Office of Public Safety had notified them of the lapses in recent days, and they were assessing the damage.

In Middlesex County, which has some of the busiest criminal courts in the state, the lapses affected five cases involving crimes committed 15 to 20 years ago, said Corey Welford, spokesman for District Attorney Gerard T. Leone Jr.

"We are attempting to locate and notify each victim," Welford said.

Leone issued a statement saying that his office will determine whether it can prosecute the cases despite the statute of limitations. In some criminal cases, the statute of limitations can be extended for the amount of time a defendant wasn't living in Massachusetts.

Plymouth County has two cases, Norfolk has at least one, and Suffolk has none, officials said.

Cape and Islands District Attorney Michael D. O'Keefe said he has been told he has one case involving a July 1988 sexual assault. But O'Keefe reviewed the case and said the suspect pleaded guilty in 1989 to that sexual assault charge and several others and was sentenced to 18 to 20 years in prison, to be followed by commitment to the state's sexual offender treatment center in Bridgewater.

In that case, scientists confirmed a DNA match, unbeknownst to O'Keefe, and the statute of limitations would have expired in 2003 if the defendant had not already been convicted.

"He was convicted of it without the benefit of the DNA," O'Keefe said.

The State Police lab has drawn criticism for years for a mammoth backlog in checking DNA samples for matches. The issue came into sharp focus in April 2004 after authorities disclosed that it took more than eight months to process a DNA sample that led to the arrest of a trash collector in the 2002 slaying of Christa Worthington, a Cape Cod fashion writer who was found stabbed and sexually assaulted in her home. The trash collector, Christopher M. McCowen, was convicted of murder in November.

Last August, State Police and Governor Mitt Romney hailed the opening of a 12,000-square-foot addition to the lab, calling it a key step to eliminating the DNA sample backlog.

Last September, the Massachusetts District Attorneys Association urged the state to increase the number of chemists at the lab from 30 to 80 and to cut the turnaround on analyzing samples to one month from about 10 months.

Geline Williams, a spokeswoman for the association, issued a statement yesterday saying that the lab has dramatically improved overall in recent years and that she was confident that the Patrick administration will address any problems uncovered by the FBI audit.

Mary R. Lauby -- executive director of Jane Doe Inc., an advocacy group for victims of sexual assault and domestic violence -- said the lab's problem undercuts the confidence of victims of sex crimes in the criminal justice system and could make it more difficult for law enforcement to persuade them to go forward, since they already bear the emotional burden of facing their alleged assailants at trial.

She said it was disheartening that some offenders could escape prosecution for rapes committed more than 15 years ago, but credited State Police for taking action to correct the errors and for working well with her agency.

Now, she said, law enforcement must inform every victim whose case was affected by the error.

"I think this is an issue of integrity," she said. ". . . Each of the victims needs to be contacted."
 
Anyone have any information on this legislation:

"In 2004, a budget rider filed by Congressman Todd Tiehrt (R-KS), prevented the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) from providing gun tracing data to any local or state law enforcement agency, including any date as to the origins and ownership of so-called ‘crime guns’."
 
Anyone have any information on this legislation:

"In 2004, a budget rider filed by Congressman Todd Tiehrt (R-KS), prevented the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) from providing gun tracing data to any local or state law enforcement agency, including any date as to the origins and ownership of so-called ‘crime guns’."

This statement is a complete distortion of the rider. There's absolutely nothing to prevent police from obtaining BATFE trace information on a gun that was actually used in a crime. What the rider did was prevent BATFE releasing detail summary data indicating the number of guns traced to different dealers, which some politicians were using to target dealers for civil suits.

There are two separate problems with statistical data generated by BATFE traces. The purpose of traces is to determine which dealer originally sold the gun (via manufacturer and/or distributor sales records by serial number) and to whom (via dealer copies of form 4473). Because information about the original purchaser tends not to be particularly useful for guns that have had years to change hands, BATFE generally limits traces to guns manufactured relatively recently. As a result, traces focus on a small, unrepresentative sample of firearms. Second, traces are done for a large number of reasons, only some of which have any connection to firearms used in crimes.

Because of these ans some other problems, the Congressional Research Service has repeatedly concluded that such data is too distorted for most statistical uses. Congress originally intended for traces to be purely for law enforcement purposes, but politicians and gun-grabbers have repeatedly filed FOIA demands to summary data to serve their own purposes. "Tiehrt riders" have been placed by Congress on every budget since 1993 in an effort to prevent this. This limitation has been supported by both BATFE and the Fraternal Order of Police.

Ken
 
Tiahrt Amendment

"For more than five years, cities suing the gun industry and anti-gun organizations have sought access to confidential law enforcement data on firearms traces. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) compiles these records when it traces firearms in response to requests from law enforcement agencies."
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http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=208


Anyone have any information on this legislation:

"In 2004, a budget rider filed by Congressman Todd Tiehrt (R-KS), prevented the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) from providing gun tracing data to any local or state law enforcement agency, including any date as to the origins and ownership of so-called ‘crime guns’."
 
This is the only data I am aware of:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show

Note a breakdown by state, but better than nothing. As it turns out, 15% are legally purchased, although another 35% come from family or friends who may or may not have purchased them legally. Interpret as you want, but it sure isn't gun show loopholes :)
 
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