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I don't understand the mentality behind warning shots at all. They are irresponsible and chickenshit.
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I don't understand the mentality behind warning shots at all. They are irresponsible and chickenshit.
Then stop watching that stupid, ignorant show.
What are you going to do when three attackers say they want to kick your ass and have no visible weapons but start flanking you? Have you seen what repeated blows to the head from fists and boots do? Hint: they inflict severe bodily injury or death.
What are you going to do when someone pulls a knife on you? IDK about where you live, but where I live assault with a knife is assault with a deadly weapon because you will sustain severe bodily injury or death.
What are you going to do when one or more attackers have blunt impact weapons? Have you seen what a baseball bat does to bones? In my state broken bones and head trauma are severe bodily injury.
In my state any threat that has the means, opportunity, and intent to inflict severe bodily injury or death can be repelled with deadly force if attempts to de-escalate or escape do not work.
So guess what will do in the above situations?
It didn't used to be a problem. When I was a kid - people drove drunk ALL THE TIME.
I have friends who crashed their cars while drunk - and were driven home by the cops.
It wasn't a great thing. And you could get arrested for it - if the cops felt like it. But the general attitude in most parts of society at the time was: " no harm - no foul".
This is actually a good example of what I was talking about in my previous post: - the law has changed in this country to basically forbid things just because they "might" cause a problem. The law used to be understood to be used in cases where one person actually harmed another. Now it is used to enforce behavioral norms.
This IS the road to tyranny.
I watch that show, and I don't recall them every saying that. In fact in one of the training sessions they have a guy coming at them with a bat. Not pulling a gun when the other guy only has a knife, is just pure stupid.
Originally Posted by JimB
in watching conceal and carry they do not encourage drawing you firearm
unless your confronted with a firearm...
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Being stupid should not be against the law.
Here's my problem with warning shots, if they legalize the practice, then you are going see anti-gun prosecutors asking juries "why didn't the defendant fire a warning shot?"
So you are saying that don't have any ethical problems with driving drunk.
If thats the case, then we don't have any basis for any real discussions of this issue. You don't feel that people's behavior should be regulated in any way, only that bad outcomes should be regulated.
I'll never agree with that. And I'll never sway you. But we got at the crux of the issue.
I'm not being sarcastic, but by that logic I'm assuming you agree with the following statements:
1) aircraft should not be proactively inspected by the FAA and airlines should not be sanctioned for failing these inspections. They should only be sanctioned if an actual accident or incident occur.
2) there should be no motor vehicle laws in general, only laws that affect how someone is punished after a crash that they cause.
3) there should be no financial or banking regulation. there should only be laws determining the punishment after a harm has occured.
Don
Can you articulate what in this situation would put you in fear of death or severe injury?
ETA: Maybe you should become a little more observant of people so that you do not have to wait to see a weapon before you start moving up to condition orange. And maybe you should work on your draw so that you do not have to pull it out so early and pre-emptively. And maybe you should work on hand to hand skills so that your only response to an unarmed man charging you is not a gun.
"In my state any threat that has the means, opportunity, and intent to inflict severe bodily injury or death can be repelled with deadly force if attempts to de-escalate or escape do not work.
So guess what will do in the above situations? ".
I think you articulated it quite well for him about 3 posts earlier.... Assuming his/her life felt threatened.
Because of the warning shot or were you just tired at that point?a buddy of mine fired a warning shot once. i stopped hitting him with a shovel after that.
Someone running at you in a threatening manner is not reason enough to draw down.
Not unless weapons are already present or the disparity of force is unmistakeable.
If my wife fired 10 warning shots with her .40 M&P she would hit the guy 10 times for sure. I am serious...she is that bad of a shot with the thing.
Give 'em a warning shot to let them know you are serious...ya all suck
Give 'em a warning shot to let them know you are serious...
How about a 'Warning Flag'?
Here's the 'defense' for that:
"I tried to, but I missed."
How about a 'Warning Flag'?
Did you read the second sentence of my post?Someone running at me in a threatening manner is, for sure reason to draw - I have a bum knee and a weak heart at 60 yrs old. What about the 15-foot (or 20-foot) rule of self defense? That bugger rushes me and gets to 10 feet away, he's perforated!! I'll be drawing my weapon well before he gets that close. At least that will give him the option to turn around and head off the other way.
I'll let a bear charge to 10-feet away, but you can generally trust a bear.